But you're not posting "receipts", that's someone else's work. So why critique me? You haven't proven capable yourself. So keep screwing your face in confusion.everything im saying is already backed in this thread
nothing your saying is
Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!
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K.O.N.Y
Superstar
Because your the one in the thread fighting against posted verifiable facts with nothing to show on your end. Not me
It already existed amongst Djs in the States, mainland. In your mind poor Jamaica was technologically ahead to America. Herc had a great sound system and collection of songs. That in a nutshell separated him, plus he had a young crowd. This crowd was quintessential to the development that we know as Hip Hop culture. However, there was b boys before the breakbeats and breakdancing.
Over the years we have discussed all these evolutionary stages.
"By 1971, Disco King Mario was an eminent DJ in the Bronx. He was known for his superior sound system and his love for combining music and a good time. Mario came up during the era where you had to be tough enough to bring your equipment out, because of how prevalent gangs and violence were in the Bronx in the early 70s. But the Disco King was respected all over, from neighborhood mothers to the grimiest gangsters. He is a major part of the creation of Hip Hop."
Forgotten Founding Father: Disco King Mario - Hip Hop Golden Age
By 1971, Disco King Mario was an eminent DJ in the Bronx. He was known for his superior sound system and his love for combining music and a good time. Mario came up during the era where you had to be tough enough to bring your equipment out, because of how prevalent gangs and violence […]
hiphopgoldenage.com
Part 1 Cholly Rock Talks Black Spades Gang History The Burning Bronx 70s & Birth Of HipHop
Part 2 Hiphop History DJ Kool Herc Afrika Bambaataa Flash & How Hiphop become a Global Success
Part 3 BBOYING History Grandmaster Flash Dj Kool Herc Zulu Kings & Grandmixer DST Hiphop History
Part 4 Hiphop History Gangs to Crews Disco King Mario Flash DJ Kool Herc & Positive Message to ALL
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So what did people from the Caribbean develop and was typically to Hip Hop? lol
You do realize you’ve posted nothing but for your opinion. We had these discussions long before you showed up. lol
We’ve put all of it together before these early pioneers and participants came out confirming all of it.
I even went as deep as researching the Jamaican input.
Tariq & Akademiks Arguing Over Origins of Hip Hop
It's not complicated. Ask them to show the early Hip Hop flyers from the 70s and even early 80s, with all these "Jamaican-Americans". If these exists that is. Their claim is based in the story that Herc is the Jamaican who pioneered breakbeats and that Coke La Rock brought toasting from...
www.thecoli.com
Tariq & Akademiks Arguing Over Origins of Hip Hop
We in here talking about hip hop, you can't add nothing to do because you don't no nothing about it now you talking abou maga and politics nikkaz don't even give a shyt about who's the cac again As I said sir you doing your best kkk impersonation if you as a blk man is proud of that I say...
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In the shadow you shall remain as a king.
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IllmaticDelta
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I'm not talking about Africawe already know this whole hemisphere is the disaspora
Oh African American big bands? Meaning jazz? A genre that draws from European harmony as well as African rhythm? So would you say jazz is European by this logic?
Blues harmony, scales, rhythm and tonality
aka ADOSian to the core
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
Are you focusing on me or on the truth.Relying on others' work. Okay AA General.
And fixed
Lets say that was the case and i was schooled in this thread. The point is you were also schooled, yet you are the main one babbling a dissenting opinion with no facts to back it up. That changes nothing
your just saying anything at this point
Blues harmony, scales, rhythm and tonality
European harmony is still a part of jazz as is blues.
I guess jazz is European
So if I'm just saying anything how about you stop responding?Are you focusing on me or on the truth.
Lets say that was the case and i was schooled in this thread. The point is you were also schooled, yet you are the main one babbling a dissenting opinion with no facts to back it up. That changes nothing
your just saying anything at this point
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
what is the "european harmony" equivalent in hip hop that is non fba originEuropean harmony is still a part of jazz as is blues.
I guess jazz is European
I thought I'm just saying anything. Why are you still quoting me at 1:44 am? We're not even on the topic of hip-hop at this point.
Goodnight, General.
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
im trying to see what fuels your discussion and opinion
LOL That one was comical.European harmony is still a part of jazz as is blues.
I guess jazz is European
You mean to say key or chord progression that Black Americans incorporated in their styles of music? A chord progression eventually can be anything that advances the variety in notes. Since there is no traditional European music sounding like the music Black Americans developed. This alleged claim holds no barring. If that you claimed was acutely true, how come they demonized Blues and Jazz, like all other Black medical genres, if these Black musical genres had so much European harmony influences? It makes no sense the you really start thinking about it.
"Jazz harmony at its structural and aesthetic level is based predominantly on African matrices,..."
The African Matrix in Jazz Harmonic Practices on JSTOR
Gerhard Kubik, The African Matrix in Jazz Harmonic Practices, Black Music Research Journal, Vol. 25, No. 1/2 (Spring - Fall, 2005), pp. 167-222
www.jstor.org
"The lowered pitches of the blues scale are also closely related to the African quarter tone scale. The flatted 3rd and 7th are uncommon in the European tradition and add an element that is completely unique to the music. Other performance practices, like playing the guitar with a knife blade or playing the banjo with a bottleneck would likely produce sounds similar to those produced from African instruments."
African Influences on The Blues
The African influence in the blues is undeniable. The poetic structure of many of the verses is similar to the Western African tradition of AAB poetry. The story like verses carries on the...
awblues.weebly.com
The rabbit hole goes deeper.
“Black musicians came across the Atlantic from the United States, many from Harlem, which was already a “jazz capital.” They went to France and found their talents in high demand. Soon, black-owned nightclubs were springing up in Paris, especially in Montmartre. Among the many African Americans who found a far more receptive audience in France was Josephine Baker.”
https://thescarlet.org/3159/category_news/the-history-of-nightlife-paris/
"Conversely, many white Americans viewed returning black soldiers as a threat because of their military service and exposure to new ideas about race and equality, especially in France."
http://harlemrenaissance.com/history/
African music - Multipart Singing
African music - Multipart Singing: Multipart singing and harmonic concepts are basic traits of many African musical traditions and have been observed by Western travelers since the earliest periods of contact. Contrary to earlier opinions, “harmony” in African music is now seen to be not a...
www.britannica.com
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Doesn't matter anymore. Move around.