Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture

[Field Marshall Bradley]

i have no idea what you are babbling about, my issue was culture and improving black culture, this notion that culture and music doesnt matter is just some dumb shyt perpetrated by man children in the rap industry

So basically you don't have a real retort? And you still never "described" black culture. You gave me webster's definition....

 

[Wild self]

I don't understand why you guys feel that hip-hop is beyond any and all types of criticism. You really feel that music and the popular culture which is now almost solely influenced by hip-hop has absolutely no effect on the youth? what?

and this shyt aint even hip-hop, it's corporate hip-hop. it started to turn in the 90's but that balance was still there. It's gone now, and instead of breeding criminals they are breeding idiots.

Pretty much. Since the social commentary been removed and the ratchet party/ strip club culture became mainstream, shyt has gotten worse. Now we have a generation believing that hypermasculinity is real masculinity, while the young generation believing that being in the club 24/7 and tricking on strippers is the norm.

 

[theworldismine13]

Within American society, there are various cultures and subcultures. Hip hop is a sub culture of african american culture, which is an aspect of American culture and American society in general.

How is it the boomers who now occupy the major positions in Wall Street and our government were the ones to listen to sexually suggestive music, music that doesn't sing the praises of Abrahamic or Judeo Christian deities, music that suggests drug usage, promiscuity, and various forms of macho testosterone fueled posturing...how is it that they listened to that participated in (and sometimes still do) those cultures and yet didn't turn out to be criminals and what not?

The senior director or manager of whatever investment firm you align your money with smokes pot and listens to Metallica and Iron Maiden on the weekends. Don't be silly.

because to them rap is just entertainment, to black kids rap is an identity and a guide to life

so for example when a rapper suggests that drug dealing is the same as being a legit business man the white kid thinks its entertainment and doesn't take it seriously and goes on to be a legit business man but the black kid takes the notion seriously and it even becomes part of his outlook on life

you being exhibit A for this

 

[The Real]

cigarettes do cause cancer, the direct correlation has been proven, are you senile?

a direct correlation between poverty and crime has never been proven

No need for catty responses. First of all, you're throwing the words around incoherently now. Cigarettes have not been proven through direct causation (not correlation) to cause cancer. What we do have is a high correlation. What that means is that there isn't a monocausal scenario at work (also proven by the fact that many people who smoke regularly do not end up with cancer.) What it does mean is that cigarettes are a "risk factor" for cancer, which means that we take the substantial correlation and assume that it's one of several factors that contribute, but not in a simple counterfactual (if x, then y) way.

The same is true for crime and poverty, which that article demonstrates, and is the consensus in social science now. It also takes the trend you described into account, since it's recent.

 

[theworldismine13]

So basically you don't have a real retort? And you still never "described" black culture. You gave me webster's definition....

i dont have a retort for what?

the part of black culture i was talking about was hip hop and rap music, i thought that was obvious, what is it that i need to be describe about hip hop, do you not know what hip hop is?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

because to them rap is just entertainment, to black kids rap is an identity and a guide to life

so for example when a rapper suggests that drug dealing is the same as being a legit business man the white kid thinks its entertainment and doesn't take it seriously and goes on to be a legit business man but the black kid takes the notion seriously and it even becomes part of his outlook on life

you being exhibit A for this

The unfortunate thing is that the few successful black businessmen that you see in the black community(that's over 60), may have jump started their business\enterpise via illegal tactics...

And that's the absolute case for a lot of those brothers......Its the only shot they had to get it for real...

 

[ExodusNirvana]

because to them rap is just entertainment, to black kids rap is an identity and a guide to life

so for example when a rapper suggests that drug dealing is the same as being a legit business man the white kid thinks its entertainment and doesn't take it seriously and goes on to be a legit business man but the black kid takes the notion seriously and it even becomes part of his outlook on life

you being exhibit A for this

The bolded shows that you don't know what you're talking about because I'm an educated and accomplished black man in America who has listened to hip hop all his life still listens to hip hop.

And you STILL haven't disproved what I stated, you're just reiterating that you don't agree with it , especially because I NEVER said being a drug dealer is the same as being a legit businesman

And this very post kinda destroys your whole argument because it proves that the reason why black kids think rap is a guide to life is because no one has told them that it's not, and that would mean the blame is on the parents not on hip hop

 

[Wild self]

because to them rap is just entertainment, to black kids rap is an identity and a guide to life

so for example when a rapper suggests that drug dealing is the same as being a legit business man the white kid thinks its entertainment and doesn't take it seriously and goes on to be a legit business man but the black kid takes the notion seriously and it even becomes part of his outlook on life

you being exhibit A for this

When I was growing up in the 90s you won't believe all the 'real' nikkas wanted to be another member of the LOX and do all kinds of negative shyt to prove that they are gangsta. Some of them believe that if you made your own path and not be a 'part of the streets' you were 'acting white.'

 

[theworldismine13]

The unfortunate thing is that the few successful black businessmen that you see in the black community(that's over 60), may have jump started their business\enterpise via illegal tactics...

And that's the absolute case for a lot of those brothers......Its the only shot they had to get it for real...

again, im not exactly sure what you are talking about, im simply talking about the impact of rap music on black people and black culture and asserting that rap music is detrimental to black culture

if you want to move to other topics maybe you should make a thread about it

 

[RhymesWell]

Hip Hop is in no way shape or form the catalyst to the bullshyt that's going on in the hoods of America. Y'all sound like my mom in 94 when she wouldn't let me listen to Snoop and Dre. GTFO. The suburb white kids that bump this ratchet shyt for the sheer novelty aren't being affected. It's the environments and the lack of education that's harming the kids. Aside from our president, what non entertainment black figure is being championed in media??? Riddle me that.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

again, im not exactly sure what you are talking about, im simply talking about the impact of rap music on black people and black culture and asserting that rap music is detrimental to black culture

if you want to move to other topics maybe you should make a thread about it

And your points have been invalidated because other forms of music have and still do the same things that hip hop does and yet the predominant listeners of said music don't display the negative traits you seem intent on pinning to the black community.

They even went through decades of scrutiny...JUST LIKE HIP HOP...and here we are in the present, blaming the communities ills on music when those other music genres are guilty of the same "crimes" that hip hop is being accused of, yet their listeners and the children who listened to them are not turning out the same.

This means your reasoning is FLAWED and that hip hop cannot be and is not the sole reason for the black communities ills.

 

[theworldismine13]

The bolded shows that you don't know what you're talking about because I'm an educated and accomplished black man in America who has listened to hip hop all his life still listens to hip hop.

And you STILL haven't disproved what I stated, you're just reiterating that you don't agree with it , especially because I NEVER said being a drug dealer is the same as being a legit businesman

And this very post kinda destroys your whole argument because it proves that the reason why black kids think rap is a guide to life is because no one has told them that it's not, and that would mean the blame is on the parents not on hip hop

first of all this whole thing of using a singular example is just stupid, that's part of the reason why i dont respond to it

if i say that america is a racist country, you do not counter that by saying, hey i know an american who isnt racist, that is not a proper response, its not even worth responding to cuz its just dumb

your personal life story doesnt tell the whole story. my assertion and the assertion in the article was not that EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LISTENS TO RAP TURNS INTO A CRIMINAL

why do i need to respond to your distortion of what the article is saying and your feeble response to it

secondly why do you and others assert that rap music effects children with bad parents and cant link that with the acknowledged breakdown of the black family, how can you not see the connection?

my bad if got your assertion wrong, but you said something to the effect that there is a thin line between drug dealing and a legit business, that notion is straight from rap and it obviously effected your outlook on life

 

[theworldismine13]

And your points have been invalidated because other forms of music have and still do the same things that hip hop does and yet the predominant listeners of said music don't display the negative traits you seem intent on pinning to the black community.

They even went through decades of scrutiny...JUST LIKE HIP HOP...and here we are in the present, blaming the communities ills on music when those other music genres are guilty of the same "crimes" that hip hop is being accused of, yet their listeners and the children who listened to them are not turning out the same.

This means your reasoning is FLAWED and that hip hop cannot and is not the sole reason for the black communities ills.

what other forms of music are you referring to?

 

[theworldismine13]

Hip Hop is in no way shape or form the catalyst to the bullshyt that's going on in the hoods of America. Y'all sound like my mom in 94 when she wouldn't let me listen to Snoop and Dre. GTFO. The suburb white kids that bump this ratchet shyt for the sheer novelty aren't being affected. It's the environments and the lack of education that's harming the kids. Aside from our president, what non entertainment black figure is being championed in media??? Riddle me that.

and who do you think should change that? are you waiting for white people or an outside force to come and

 

[RhymesWell]

and who do you think should change that? are you waiting for white people or an outside force to come and

Nah I believe it's on the young people of the next generation to really eradicate this notion of race. But we'll have bigger problems in the form of classism after that.