Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Hip-Hop is almost exclusively vapid, the subject matter revolves only around things like sex, drugs, money and taking the easy way out. Kids in the suburbs usually have two-parent households and stronger families who help them understand the difference between reality and entertainment, so while they may be influenced by this kind of trash early on in life, they have more of a chance to steer clear in the future. Kids in the hood on the other hand identify with rappers/hip-hop personalities and try to emulate them and be them, it's not just entertainment. They see drug dealers in their neighborhood making easy money, and then listen to make-believe drug dealers glorifying that lifestyle on record....it's only natural that they are going to gravitate towards that.

There's a site you can go to that has black folk and other people in the hood looking like idiots 24-7. It's called worldstarHIPHOP.com

There was a thread on here a few days ago where Jay was saying how his experience as a drug dealer in the past is helping him presently I mean, come on man, why even bring that up? You don't see a problem with any of this? How can you look at all this and say that Hip-Hop doesn't have a problem? How you can see how Hip-Hop connects with the youth and wish it didn't do so in a more empowering/positive way? I dont understand.

I don't disagree with most hip hop being vapid, or having destructive subject matter, but the key element in your post is about the stronger families and 2 parent households. The lack of strong parenting in the black community is bigger culprit than hip hop by far.

And hip hop is vapid because American society is vapid in general. We live in an age where entertainers like Lady Gaga, Miley Twerk Cyrus, etc are celebrated for selling sex. Couple that with the fact that online smut is available in 2 left clicks to an 11 year old, and there is no wonder why the youth is sex obsessed.

Over the top materialism sparked as soon as the Credit Card popped off and shows like Dallas, Dynasty, and Falcon Crest launched. Where we are right now as far as our values in this society has been 50 plus years in the making, way before Kool Herc picked up the turntables.

And the statement from Jay Z is a bad look for the most part, even though I understand what he meant by it.

 

[HoloGraphic]

We just need better music and a monetary base to accompany it. No one will follow the Pied Piper unless they thought they were getting something out of it.

 

[theworldismine13]

There is absolutely a direct correlation between crime and poverty. It's obviously not a straight, linear, monocausal one, but the idea that there isn't statistical proof that there is some kind of causal relationship between them is absurd. It's the consensus right now, and there's even a general mathematical system that maps the correlation. For example:
http://mtbi.asu.edu/downloads/Document8.pdf

saying that poverty causes crime and that there is a correlation between crime and poverty are two different things, which assertion are you making?

 

[Robbie3000]

yeah but mass incarceration of blacks and white people invading formerly black neighborhoods has been happening from atlanta to los angeles, numbskull

You are proving my point. Reducing poverty via gentrification and punishment measures (unfair or not) along with a host of other factors chiefly the drop in demand for crack, have resulted in a drop in crime in the inner cities.

This is all taking place when hip-hop is as popular ever. Proving that structural and social factors factor more than fukking entertainment.

 

[theworldismine13]

Name me a few rap songs that emphasizing not learning, or that being educated is a white trait.....Also still waiting on that description of black culture. I am not stating that rap can't influence a poorly parented kid, but to say that its the cause of the black community's ills is short sighted and borderline irresponsible, because it dismisses some of the core reasons.

are you aware of the breakdown of the black family and the large percentage of "poorly parented kids"? do you realize that you your assertion that rap music can influence poorly parented kids contradicts your whole argument?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Hip-Hop is almost exclusively vapid, the subject matter revolves only around things like sex, drugs, money and taking the easy way out. Kids in the suburbs usually have two-parent households and stronger families who help them understand the difference between reality and entertainment, so while they may be influenced by this kind of trash early on in life, they have more of a chance to steer clear in the future. Kids in the hood on the other hand identify with rappers/hip-hop personalities and try to emulate them and be them, it's not just entertainment. They see drug dealers in their neighborhood making easy money, and then listen to make-believe drug dealers glorifying that lifestyle on record....it's only natural that they are going to gravitate towards that.

There's a site you can go to that has black folk and other people in the hood looking like idiots 24-7. It's called worldstarHIPHOP.com

There was a thread on here a few days ago where Jay was saying how his experience as a drug dealer in the past is helping him presently I mean, come on man, why even bring that up? You don't see a problem with any of this? How can you look at all this and say that Hip-Hop doesn't have a problem? How you can see how Hip-Hop connects with the youth and wish it didn't do so in a more empowering/positive way? I dont understand.

But it IS helping him.

The difference between being a drug dealer and being a businessman has always been very slim.

Especially in 2013.

Sure there are people who sell things you NEED as opposed to WANT but they're not doing for free, they're doing it for their own benefit.

And in a world where financial titans are allowed to run recklessly through the worlds economy at the cost of the common man, it's true, they are no different than a drug dealer selling a product that may or may not destroy lives, communities, and harm societies.

What because drug dealers occasionally kill people or are responsible for the deaths of their competition? Please.

I feel the only issue with what Jay said was that it wasn't as articulate as it could have been. Then again he's a rapper and perhaps his cause would be better served if he stayed in his lane, that of an artist.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are proving my point. Reducing poverty via gentrification and punishment measures (unfair or not) along with a host of other factors chiefly the drop in demand for crack, have resulted in a drop in crime in the inner cities.

This is all taking place when hip-hop is as popular ever. Proving that structural and social factors factor more than fukking entertainment.

first of all gentrification doesnt reduce poverty, poverty has been increasing in the US

how is culture not a social factor? how is culture not part of the structure?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

im just giving you the standard definition of culture, if you ask that question about _______ culture the answer would be the same, ______ culture is the common customs and habits of _______, you can insert any society or group of people into those blanks

i really wish you would stop inserting words in my mouth, monolithim or exclusivity is not a requirement, simply a large percentage of people engaging in something would make something part of a culture

Do you have any friends from other countries....Africa, Jamaica, Thailand, Phillipines, etc?......By your definition, black culture = American culture because at the end of the day, we all do the same thing and it aint even debatable....

Culture is what shapes your belief system and mindset when it comes to how you live and handle life. Its the reason why Mexicans, Africans, Islanders, Indians, can come over here and setup thriving business and have better careers on average. Albeit those that come over here are probably the best of the best so to speak, but their culture(and lack of American culture) is a driving force behind their success.

We were robbed of ours years ago because a people without an identity will always be lost, and they knew that. Most cats I know can't even trace they lineage back more than 100 plus years or so.

 

[theworldismine13]

But it IS helping him.

The difference between being a drug dealer and being a businessman has always been very slim.

breh just stop it, youve been listenting to too much rap music

 

[CASHAPP]

i don't agree with this..

Surprised you didn't mention this, but I know you and I both read Michelle's "New Jim Crow".....can't post it right now but we remember the 2 page part in the book about the "Minstrel Show". I think some people in here need to see the quotes from that.

But basically she was right, I believe that historians will look at gangsta rap as a past version of the minstrel show. Her arguing about how in the original minstrel shows over a century ago, a lot of the audience were Black people themselves and people wondered how the audience that is being made fun of in disgusting ways can make up most of the consumers.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

breh just stop it, youve been listenting too to much rap music

Either disprove what I stated or don't quote it....or cut off the part that you can't disprove

 

[theworldismine13]

Do you have any friends from other countries....Africa, Jamaica, Thailand, Phillipines, etc?......By your definition, black culture = American culture because at the end of the day, we all do the same thing and it aint even debatable....

im not sure what the hell you are babbling about, of course african american culture is american culture, i thought that its obvious, and so is rodeos, baseball, and country music etc, anything that a large group of americans do is american culture

Culture is what shapes your belief system and mindset when it comes to how you live and handle life. Its the reason why Mexicans, Africans, Islanders, Indians, can come over here and setup thriving business and have better careers on average. Albeit those that come over here are probably the best of the best so to speak, but their culture(and lack of American culture) is a driving force behind their success.

i have no idea what this means, yeah culture shapes your beliefs...and? what does that have to do with immigration?

We were robbed of ours years ago because a people without an identity will always be lost, and they knew that. Most cats I know can't even trace they lineage back more than 100 plus years or so

yeah and black people in the americas have to a large extent formed their own culture and their own identity, being robbed of a culture doesnt mean you dont have a culture

your culture is your customs and habits

 

[theworldismine13]

Either disprove what I stated or don't quote it....or cut off the part that you can't disprove

i dont have to, what you said is just patently false and a lie and another delusion perpetrated by the rap industry and man-children

 

[The Real]

saying that poverty causes crime and that there is a correlation between crime and poverty are two different things, which assertion are you making?

I'm asserting that the current consensus is that the correlation is strong enough that that causality is now assumed and even partly mathematized.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

i dont have to, what you said is just patently false and a lie and another delusion perpetrated by the rap industry and man-children

And there you have it.

The God Emperor defeated. You're all welcome.