Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture

[Field Marshall Bradley]

are you aware of the breakdown of the black family and the large percentage of "poorly parented kids"? do you realize that you your assertion that rap music can influence poorly parented kids contradicts your whole argument?

Nope. It doesn't. Yall were implying that hip hop is the main catalyst for the state of black youth right now, and I'm saying it's not. At best it plays only a small role to those whom appear to be susceptible, and even then its only going effect a small number of those with sub standard parenting. I already stated that past societal issues in regards to discrimination and such plays a greater role in what we see today than hip hop....

Furthermore, the lack of 2 parent households has more influence in the fruit we produce than hip hop ever will. Hip Hop aint even on the radar when it comes to our issues.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Surprised you didn't mention this, but I know you and I both read Michelle's "New Jim Crow".....can't post it right now but we remember the 2 page part in the book about the "Minstrel Show". I think some people in here need to see the quotes from that.

But basically she was right, I believe that historians will look at gangsta rap as a past version of the minstrel show. Her arguing about how in the original minstrel shows over a century ago, a lot of the audience were Black people themselves and people wondered how the audience that is being made fun of in disgusting ways can make up most of the consumers.

HMM...I wonder why

 

[theworldismine13]

Nope. It doesn't. Yall were implying that hip hop is the main catalyst for the state of black youth right now, and I'm saying it's not. At best it plays only a small role to those whom appear to be susceptible, and even then its only going effect a small number of those with sub standard parenting. I already stated that past societal issues in regards to discrimination and such plays a greater role in what we see today than hip hop....

Furthermore, the lack of 2 parent households has more influence in the fruit we produce than hip hop ever will. Hip Hop aint even on the radar when it comes to our issues.

your statement of a " a small number of those with sub standard parenting" is laughable, what planet do you live in? nobody in their right mind would suggest that there is a " a small number of those with sub standard parenting" in the black community

i think if there is anything everybody can agree on is that there has been a breakdown in the african american family

the main point i was making was a discussion of culture, any society or group of people that want to move forward have to discuss their culture

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm asserting that the current consensus is that the correlation is strong enough that that causality is now assumed and even partly mathematized.

but it hasnt been proven to be a cause, just theorized, and the increase in poverty and and the reduction in crime in the US for the past 10 years has thrown a lot of assumptions and theories out the window

 

[theworldismine13]

And there you have it.

The God Emperor defeated. You're all welcome.

be a man, stop being a man-child

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

your statement of a " a small number of those with sub standard parenting" is laughable, what planet do you live in? nobody in their right mind would suggest that there is a " a small number of those with sub standard parenting" in the black community

i think if there is anything everybody can agree on is that there has been a breakdown in the african american family

the main point i was making was a discussion of culture, any society or group of people that want to move forward have to discuss their culture

I stated that the lack of 2 parent households carry a lot of weight. Also, I meant out of all the kids with sub standard parenting, only a small number out of that group will be effected by hip hop to the point it was the sole reason behind their behavior or action. If you ever seen somebody come up in a bad household, they don't need LiL Wayne or Ross to tell them to act out...Trust me

 

[The Real]

but it hasnt been proven to be a cause, just theorized, and the increase in poverty and and the reduction in crime in the US for the past 10 years has thrown a lot of assumptions and theories out the window

Yes, but not that one. As of now, it's the consensus among social scientists. Remember, we're not talking about direct causation. Technically, cigarettes don't "cause" cancer, either, in the sense of direct causation- they're just "strongly correlated" which means they are one of many "risk factors." Even if cancer rates drop and cigarette usage rises, that would continue to hold true. The same is the case for crime and poverty, for which is there ample evidence to prove that kind of link, especially since it's been partially mathematized already.

 

[theworldismine13]

I stated that the lack of 2 parent households carry a lot of weight. Also, I meant out of all the kids with sub standard parenting, only a small number out of that group will be effected by hip hop to the point it was the sole reason behind their behavior or action. If you ever seen somebody come up in a bad household, they don't need LiL Wayne or Ross to tell them to act out...Trust me

i dont know what your reading comprehension level is but this is the quote from the article

These findings are both disturbing and hopeful. As I’ve stated in previous articles, mainstream rap music can’t be blamed for all of today’s social ills as unemployment, poverty, gangs, drugs, failing school system, and institutionalized racism are the real culprits. However, mainstream rap’s impact on youth cannot be ignored and has undoubtedly contributed to an already troubled society. Still, when seeking solutions and innovative ways to effectively reach our youth, it’s good to know that Hip Hop culture, in the right hands, can have the kind of impact on young people that may help to save their lives.

i think that is my response to your post

 

[theworldismine13]

Yes, but not that one. As of now, it's the consensus among social scientists. Remember, we're not talking about direct causation. Technically, cigarettes don't "cause" cancer, either, in the sense of direct causation- they're just "strongly correlated" which means they are one of many "risk factors." Even if cancer rates drop and cigarette usage rises, that would continue to hold true. The same is the case for crime and poverty, for which is there ample evidence to prove that kind of link, especially since it's been partially mathematized already.

cigarettes do cause cancer, the direct correlation has been proven, are you senile?

a direct correlation (edit) causation between poverty and crime has never been proven

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

i dont know what your reading comprehension level is but this is the quote from the article



i think that is my response to your post

I didn't see that response...That's my bad.

However......The list of issues that he cited before hip hop are THE culprits and need to be addressed first and foremost. I stated earlier in the thread that hip hop is a symptom, not a cause, and that its easy to attack because the participants black.....So yeah, it will always get more from the common man as opposed to those other issues because we're used to attacking our own, even if their pawns in the game just like us...

 

[ExodusNirvana]

be a man, stop being a man-child

Take the L and stop acting like a nutjob

 

[theworldismine13]

I didn't see that response...That's my bad.

However......The list of issues that he cited before hip hop are THE culprits and need to be addressed first and foremost. I stated earlier in the thread that hip hop is a symptom, not a cause, and that its easy to attack because the participants black.....So yeah, it will always get more from the common man as opposed to those other issues because we're used to attacking our own, even if their pawns in the game just like us...

i have no idea what you are babbling about, my issue was culture and improving black culture, this notion that culture and music doesnt matter is just some dumb shyt perpetrated by man children in the rap industry

 

[theworldismine13]

Take the L and stop acting like a nutjob

there is no l to be taken, the notion that a drug dealer and a business man are essentially the same thing is just nutty and immature

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Within American society, there are various cultures and subcultures. Hip hop is a sub culture of african american culture, which is an aspect of American culture and American society in general.

How is it the boomers who now occupy the major positions in Wall Street and our government were the ones to listen to sexually suggestive music, music that doesn't sing the praises of Abrahamic or Judeo Christian deities, music that suggests drug usage, promiscuity, and various forms of macho testosterone fueled posturing...how is it that they listened to that participated in (and sometimes still do) those cultures and yet didn't turn out to be criminals and what not?

The senior director or manager of whatever investment firm you align your money with smokes pot and listens to Metallica and Iron Maiden on the weekends. Don't be silly. Wake the fukk up!

 

[ExodusNirvana]

there is no l to be taken, the notion that a drug dealer and a business man are essentially the same thing is just nutty and immature

And by belittling my statement into a one sentence write off like you just did, more or less proves that I'm right and that you have no retort. But I'll let you tell it.