Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture

[ExodusNirvana]

i wouldnt say it came from rap, what i am saying is that its perpetuated by rap, but that notion is a lie and the wrong way of looking at things

my bad if got your assertion wrong, but you said something to the effect that there is a thin line between drug dealing and a legit business, that notion is straight from rap and it obviously effected your outlook on life

sure there are similarities between a legit business and the underworld business, and sometimes they even merge, but that doesnt mean the line between them is thin

and overall the whole notion of trying to elevate spreading poison in the black community as somehow legit is just another example of how rap music is spreading a degenerate culture, why would any black person i their right mind want to legitimize drug dealing? what is the black community gaining by spreading such a notion?

and overall the whole notion of trying to elevate spreading unregulated financial instruments and products to the community as somehow legit is just another example of how Wall Street is spreading a degenerate culture, why would any American in their right mind want to legitimize an unregulated financial system? what is the American public gaining by spreading such a notion?

 

[theworldismine13]

i dont see what the contradiction is, rap is the messenger

and overall the whole notion of trying to elevate spreading unregulated financial instruments and products to the community as somehow legit is just another example of how Wall Street is spreading a degenerate culture, why would any American in their right mind want to legitimize an unregulated financial system? what is the American public gaining by spreading such a notion?

so you are equating drug dealing to stock trading, ok, sure

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Holy shyt!!!!!!

Am I being trolled???

 

[Depreciating Asset]

I know it's frustrating to argue with someone you think is a fool but this thread turned out to be a pretty solid debate. Good points made on both sides of the argument. I am biased to my side. But I think the debate has been pretty good thus far.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

but again, if you read the article nowhere does it assert that rap is the cause, that is something that your lack of reading comprehension is causing you to assert

if you are going to argue, you should argue with what is actually said, not what you think it said

do yourself a favor and actually read the article before you respond

The article is almost exclusively about commercial rap...He cites other factors at the end like poverty, drugs, racism, and failing school systems, and states that they are the real reason but doesn't discuss them at all. If you're not trying to discuss the true cause of the issues, then what are you really trying to accomplish?

All he talked about was commercial rap......The author is below, and he looks like the type to care about black youth....

 

[Depreciating Asset]

The article is almost exclusively about commercial rap...He cites other factors at the end like poverty, drugs, racism, and failing school systems, and states that they are the real reason but doesn't discuss them at all. If you're not trying to discuss the true cause of the issues, then what are you really trying to accomplish?

All he talked about was commercial rap......The author is below, and he looks like the type to care about black youth....

http://jetmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ELKOUBY-500x250.jpg

 

[theworldismine13]

The article is almost exclusively about commercial rap...He cites other factors at the end like poverty, drugs, racism, and failing school systems, and states that they are the real reason but doesn't discuss them at all. If you're not trying to discuss the true cause of the issues, then what are you really trying to accomplish?

All he talked about was commercial rap......The author is below, and he looks like the type to care about black youth....

http://jetmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ELKOUBY-500x250.jpg

Yeah the article is about the impact of commercial rap on society, what did you think this discussion was about?

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

I tried to read everything but you guys write very fast and in-depth. I agree with most contemporaries in here. My gripe with rap music is the absent of musicianship. There are no skills gained in rap. Studios do not need session rappers. lol. Hip-hop isn't the originator of social ills but the mainstream rap perpetuates and stabilizes it.

 

[Robbie3000]

first of all gentrification doesnt reduce poverty, poverty has been increasing in the US

how is culture not a social factor? how is culture not part of the structure?

The bolded is just retarded. Gentrification most certainly does reduce poverty in the area being affected. Visit Bedstuy or any other gentrified area or look at the median incomes in that area and they are guaranteed to be much higher than they were before.

As for your second point, you did not say "culture" you said music specifically. I have just shown how crime has been declining even as the music has become ever more popular. So obviously the effect of music on culture and in turn on crime is dubious at best.

 

[theworldismine13]

The bolded is just retarded. Gentrification most certainly does reduce poverty in the area being affected. Visit Bedstuy or any other gentrified area or look at the median incomes in that area and they are guaranteed to be much higher than they were before.

As for your second point, you did not say "culture" you said music specifically. I have just shown how crime has been declining even as the music has become ever more popular. So obviously the effect of music on culture and in turn on crime is dubious at best.

of course it reduces poverty in the area, but it doesnt reduce the poverty of the people that leave. if a bunch of rich white people move into bed stuy how does that reduce the poverty of the black residents (unless they own their homes), if crime goes down when white people move in and black people move out how is that something that black people should celebrate?

first how is music separate from culture?

crime has been declining everywhere but it persists in black communities and again the assertion is not that music causes crime, the assertion is that it hurts the efforts to combat crime and other problems in the black community

 

[Kritic]

Sinead O’Connor’s Brilliant Open Letter to Miley Cyrus: “You Are Being Pimped by the Music Business” aka 'JEWS'

Sinead O’Connor is definitely not known for NOT speaking her mind. When Miley Cyrus claimed that her look for the video Wrecking Ball was inspired by Sinead’s quintessential 90′s hit Nothing Compares, Sinead did not quietly nod her head in approval. Instead, she wrote an open letter basically destroying everything Miley Cyrus is about and the industry that controls her.

“Dear Miley,

I wasn’t going to write this letter, but today i’ve been dodging phone calls from various newspapers who wished me to remark upon your having said in Rolling Stone your Wrecking Ball video was designed to be similar to the one for Nothing Compares … So this is what I need to say … And it is said in the spirit of motherliness and with love.I am extremely concerned for you that those around you have led you to believe, or encouraged you in your own belief, that it is in any way ‘cool’ to be naked and licking sledgehammers in your videos. It is in fact the case that you will obscure your talent by allowing yourself to be pimped, whether its the music business or yourself doing the pimping. Nothing but harm will come in the long run, from allowing yourself to be exploited, and it is absolutely NOT in ANY way an empowerment of yourself or any other young women, for you to send across the message that you are to be valued (even by you) more for your sexual appeal than your obvious talent. I am happy to hear I am somewhat of a role model for you and I hope that because of that you will pay close attention to what I am telling you.



The music business doesn’t give a shyt about you, or any of us. They will prostitute you for all you are worth, and cleverly make you think its what YOU wanted … and when you end up in rehab as a result of being prostituted, ‘they’ will be sunning themselves on their yachts in Antigua, which they bought by selling your body and you will find yourself very alone.

None of the men ogling you give a shyt about you either, do not be fooled. Many’s the woman mistook lust for love. If they want you sexually that doesn’t mean they give a f**k about you. All the more true when you unwittingly give the impression you don’t give much of a f**k about yourself. And when you employ people who give the impression they don’t give much of a f**k about you either. No one who cares about ou could support your being pimped … and that includes you yourself.

Yes, I’m suggesting you don’t care for yourself. That has to change. You ought be protected as a precious young lady by anyone in your employ and anyone around you, including you. This is a dangerous world. We don’t encourage our daughters to walk around naked in it because it makes them prey for animals and less than animals, a distressing majority of whom work in the music industry and it’s associated media.
You are worth more than your body or your sexual appeal. The world of showbiz doesn’t see things that way, they like things to be seen the other way, whether they are magazines who want you on their cover, or whatever … Don’t be under any illusions … ALL of them want you because they’re making money off your youth and your beauty … which they could not do except for the fact your youth makes you blind to the evils of show business. If you have an innocent heart you can’t recognise those who do not.

I repeat, you have enough talent that you don’t need to let the music business make a prostitute of you. You shouldn’t let them make a fool of you either. Don’t think for a moment that any of them give a flying f**k about you. They’re there for the money… we’re there for the music. It has always been that way and it will always be that way. The sooner a young lady gets to know that, the sooner she can be REALLY in control.
You also said in Rolling Stone that your look is based on mine. The look I chose, I chose on purpose at a time when my record company were encouraging me to do what you have done. I felt I would rather be judged on my talent and not my looks. I am happy that I made that choice, not least because I do not find myself on the proverbial rag heap now that I am almost 47 yrs of age … which unfortunately many female artists who have based their image around their sexuality, end up on when they reach middle age.

Real empowerment of yourself as a woman would be to in future refuse to exploit your body or your sexuality in order for men to make money from you. I needn’t even ask the question … I’ve been in the business long enough to know that men are making more money than you are from you getting naked. Its really not at all cool. And its sending dangerous signals to other young women. Please in future say no when you are asked to prostitute yourself. Your body is for you and your boyfriend. It isn’t for every spunk-spewing dirtbag on the net, or every greedy record company executive to buy his mistresses diamonds with.​

As for the shedding of the Hannah Montana image … whoever is telling you getting naked is the way to do that does absolutely NOT respect your talent, or you as a young lady. Your records are good enough for you not to need any shedding of Hannah Montana. She’s waaaaaaay gone by now … Not because you got naked but because you make great records.

Whether we like it or not, us females in the industry are role models and as such we have to be extremely careful what messages we send to other women. The message you keep sending is that its somehow cool to be prostituted … its so not cool Miley … its dangerous. Women are to be valued for so much more than their sexuality. We aren’t merely objects of desire. I would be encouraging you to send healthier messages to your peers … that they and you are worth more than what is currently going on in your career. Kindly fire any motherf**ker who hasn’t expressed alarm, because they don’t care about you.”
- Source: sineadoconnor.com​

http://beautifulnightmare-killumbus.blogspot.com/2013/10/sinead-oconnors-brilliant-open-letter.html

 

[havoc]

Most of yall got this completely backwards......Rap is a symptom\sign, not the root cause of anything in regards to behaviour....No touched on the circumstances that produced these enviroments and mindsets that cats rap about......The first true drug dealer whom I knew that was actually getting it, didn't even listen to rap....He and his cohorts were listening to Parliament, Isley Brothers, Hall & Oates....etc......but they were mini kingpins that would cut your heart out if you crossed them....Rap is just American culture on wax.....Its all on your TVs and on your computer screen, but I guess its just easier to call out the faces in black...

I agreed. However, we have so called Hip Hop purists are placing the blame on Corporate America and the Jews Most rappers like Cash Money click has been spitting ignorant lyrics before they sign a corporate contract. Cash Money's lyrical content hasn't changed since its underground days, and still making millions off its fanbase who chose to listen to it's c00nery contents. I refused to place the blame on the corporate. It is the people choice to choose the music they like. They are accountable for their own decision.

The article is almost exclusively about commercial rap...He cites other factors at the end like poverty, drugs, racism, and failing school systems, and states that they are the real reason but doesn't discuss them at all. If you're not trying to discuss the true cause of the issues, then what are you really trying to accomplish?

All he talked about was commercial rap......The author is below, and he looks like the type to care about black youth....

 

[the cac mamba]

There was a thread on here a few days ago where Jay was saying how his experience as a drug dealer in the past is helping him presently

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I agreed. However, we have so called Hip Hop purists are placing the blame on Corporate America and the Jews Most rappers like Cash Money click has been spitting ignorant lyrics before they sign a corporate contract. Cash Money's lyrical content hasn't changed since its underground days, and still making millions off its fanbase who chose to listen to it's c00nery contents. I refused to place the blame on the corporate. It is the people choice to choose the music they like. They are accountable for their own decision.

So true.....Cats acting like they forcing these dudes to spit these lyrics because of a sinister agenda, but its really because of a pie chart that some 22 year old intern presented to a label head where it demonstrated that sex, drugs, and violence sells the most records...(shocker, I know right)

This is business mostly, if black and proud music sold as many records....labels would put money behind it....Ask Tyler Perry....

Cash Money was spitting that ignant when they was local, and they aint switched up nothing after they got mainstream

 

[ExodusNirvana]

So true.....Cats acting like they forcing these dudes to spit these lyrics because of a sinister agenda, but its really because of a pie chart that some 22 year old intern presented to a label head where it demonstrated that sex, drugs, and violence sells the most records...(shocker, I know right)

This is business mostly, if black and proud music sold as many records....labels would put money behind it....Ask Tyler Perry....

Cash Money was spitting that ignant when they was local, and they aint switched up nothing after they got mainstream

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

But you see dudes don't get this because they don't understand how this world has many many moving parts.

They see the watch but they don't understand that inside the watch are so many tiny little things that make it go