Marcus Garvey was done so wrong

[Budda]

Oh, you are right.

I am not speaking on Africa. I am not even speaking on Pan-Africanism. I am speaking on Garvey and his actions and beliefs while in the U.S.

When you spoke on integration - I was under the impression you were speaking about the U.S. and U.S. only. As this is about Garvey in the U.S.

Yes to be honest with you I’m on the same page as you, and the older I get the more I’m not in allure with some of Garveys movements in USA, @IllmaticDelta of course has opened my eyes on certain things also, I, being touchy because I don’t agree with people simply writing off whole black figures who played their part and risked their life’s to do what they thought was right.

I know how people on this forum get just parroting things they hear from others without having a bit of respect and decorum, one poster on here called Garvey an agent and so on, even if I don’t agree with everything people who came before me did i try to understand and also show some respect.

When I was young I used to always feel for example as if MLK was too soft I never respected him like I did Malcolm, the older I get, the more I have sense to respect both sides, I would never be on here denigrating any black leader who came before me, whether that be Du Bois MLK or Farrakhan and I don’t agree with a lot of their words or concepts but still... it’s easy for me to make sweeping judgements but the truth is I’m not out here fighting for my people In the same way, it’s easy to talk the talk from behind a computer screen I love them all.

 

[xoxodede]

But you can’t dissociate that from Pan Africanism, Garvey wasn’t only saying black people should go back to Africa, he was preaching of an African state controlled by African people all of its resources without European intervention.

How could any white elite agree with that? When it’s through the pillaging of those same resources they made their empire and through the pillaging of resources and people’s they still exist as a super power today.

If we’re talking locally and nationally I can agree more so with you, of course, whites in the south wanted blacks to go back, this may be the only distinction, but to put Garvey into a box as if that’s all that he preached is wrong.

USA and Europe have been built based on meddling into others affairs, its why Gadaffi was killed it’s why Lumamba was killed.

Also a USA without Blacks is an obsolete one, the average rural redneck in Alabama might not understand this but the law makers do.

I get it. But, he was ill-equipped. Nor did he know his audience -- and most of all disconnected/disrespectful with it.

First, Black Americans, contrary to belief --- the majority have always seen themselves as Americans -- and have always claimed the U.S. as their home. See the USCT and Emancipation narratives.

Also, for what Mr. Garvey preached- he should have started in the many countries in Africa - then reached out to others. As it starts there.

I am U.S. focused -- and I try not to speak on Africa - and the countries there -- because I am uneducated about many issues and topics. Also, it's not really my business. I support from afar.

I totally agree on your last point - but for many - they felt and some still feel that Black people haven't and don't contribute to what the U.S.A. is -- past or present. And that feeling transcends HHI and professions in White America (and "POC" America).

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But, they didn't support Pan-Africanism. They supported get Black Americans the hell out the U.S. by any means necessary.

They didn't care where we went really - just leave.

Pan-Africanism from their POV wasn't the goal but they knew they were helping to foster "Pan-Africanism" simply by having blacks be with other blacks and away from "white" people/land.

 

[xoxodede]

Yes to be honest with you I’m on the same page as you, and the older I get the more I’m not in allure with some of Garveys movements in USA, @IllmaticDelta of course has opened my eyes on certain things also, I, being touchy because I don’t agree with people simply writing off whole black figures who played their part and risked their life’s to do what they thought was right.

I know how people on this forum get just parroting things they hear from others without having a bit of respect and decorum, one poster on here called Garvey an agent and so on, even if I don’t agree with everything people who came before me did i try to understand and also show some respect.

When I was young I used to always feel for example as if MLK was too soft I never respected him like I did Malcolm, the older I get, the more I have sense to respect both sides, I would never be on here denigrating any black leader who came before me, whether that be Du Bois MLK or Farrakhan and I don’t agree with a lot of their words or concepts but still... it’s easy for me to make sweeping judgements but the truth is I’m not out here fighting for my people In the same way, it’s easy to talk the talk from behind a computer screen I love them all.

I definitely understand. And Garvey was BOLD - and different. He is a respected icon - no matter if many disapproved of his tactics and beliefs.

He did what he thought was right. I now research people on my own and come to my own conclusions. I like sources.

And...no, I get it.

I LOVE Farrakhan - and don't care what nobody say about him, what he did or didn't do. He will always be number #1 in my book -- and will follow, support and honor till I die.

I said all that to say - they all deserve love and respect. But, we should also continue to be honest about them - but still appreciate and honor.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@xoxodede

 

[xoxodede]

@xoxodede

Yeah, but let's be real.

Most of those (the few thousands) who left during the initial wave of ACS - were free Blacks who were "mulattoes," and could be white-passing -- most never enslaved, many educated and had some money -- and some who enslaved Black people in Colonial/Antebellum era.

How could they foster "Pan-Africanism?"

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Some info on Garvey and the South. Apparently, Garvey was too shook to fuk around in the South because he knew them cacs down there didn't play; this is part of the reason he started c00ning for the Klan, which Dubois called him out on

Dubois:

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Garvey was so shook of the Deep South, he basically did theat his meeting with the KKK

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a deeper look into why he went full blown c00n

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The Klan was making examples out of UNIA members in the Deep South

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......to sum it all up


Dubois:

Dubois was spitting that heat

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yeah, but let's be real.

Most of those (the few thousands) who left during the initial wave of ACS - were free Blacks who were "mulattoes," and could be white-passing -- most never enslaved, many educated and had some money -- and some who enslaved Black people.

How could they foster "Pan-Africanism?"

THEY were the ones who invented Ethiopionism: The first TRUE form of black power thinking/global black pan-africanist thought via Sierra Leone and Liberia (West Indies too). Garvey himself was rooted in Ethiopianism

Spoiler

 

[xoxodede]

THEY were the ones who invented Ethiopionism: The first TRUE form of black power thinking/global black pan-africanist thought via Sierra Leone and Liberia (West Indies too). Garvey himself was rooted in Ethiopianism

Spoiler

Thanks for the drop. Adding this to my reading list!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Thread hella suspect

George Lincoln Rockwell and members of the American Nazi Party attend a Nation of Islam summit, 1961​

George Lincoln Rockwell and members of the American Nazi Party attend a Nation of Islam summit, 1961 - Rare Historical Photos

‘Well, What Do You Mean, We Can’t Join the Klan?’

Yep. Malcolm X and the NOI met with both the KKK and American Nazis. I learned about all the angles of the struggle in Africana Studies in college (shoutout HBCUs).

NOI/Malcolm meeting with KKK/Nazis is alot different from what Garvey did because not only did Garvey meet with the KKK, he defended them and in many ways, wanted them to subjugate the Afram community even more than they were. He then took an extra step to promote their rhetoric

Dubois:

and sh1t on his own race by basically saying the global afro world wasn't sh1t

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Garvey was passport gang founder and chief when folks slept on the message

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Garvey

Malcolm

 

[Akae Beka]

NOI/Malcolm meeting with KKK/Nazis is alot different from what Garvey did because not only did Garvey meet with the KKK, he defended them and in many ways, wanted them to subjugate the Afram community even more than they were. He then took an extra step to promote their rhetoric

Dubois:

and sh1t on his own race by basically saying the global afro world wasn't sh1t

Without proper context it is..

 

[jerzboy]

Subbing

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Without proper context it is..

I'm giving you full context; so far, I don't see how anyone could think he was done wrong with the way he was moving