Marcus Garvey was done so wrong

[Losttribe]

Most of the Democrat voting neo liberal sambos on this site would have supported sending Garvey back to London in a body bag

 

[xoxodede]

yup....the whole "back to africa" thing was an older Afram talking point via Free African Society and Paul Cuffee (realized BEFORE ACS came along) that Garvey tried to resurrect:

West Indians were not even really interested in that. They mainly flocked to Garvey because he was "one" of them. As @xoxodede already pointed out, West Indians were his biggest supporters in the North

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Garvey messed up because he was conflating the Jamaican/West Indian problem on THEIR land with the Afram one in the USA while mixing West Indian racial beliefs that were the opposite of Afram ones:

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Pickens touches on the racial beliefs more here:

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Garvey hated "mulattos" more than he hated white people

this is probably the reason Garvey found that KKK harmless while sh1tting on "mixed" looking black leaders...must be that Caribbean Colorline fuking with himA deeper look into this:

You gotta make sure post the tile of these books. I want to read them for myself as well.

The thing that I never understood about Garvey hating "mulattoes" was his lack of understanding and empathy that 99% of those at that time who were ADOS "Mulattoes" --- were via rape -- or grandchildren of rape victims. So that is the reason for their color/hue.

I hate how people look at ADOS mixed people via enslavement and reconstruction/Jim Crow time. Cause, it was not consensual.

Yet, they many still believe that most of those who were light skin = mulattoes ... or mulattoes/mixed by choice. Most didn't have "privilege" cause they were light or mixed -- they were just Black.

I am assuming he would have hated my Alabama maternal side cause they were "light" and products of rape -- and just Black. Even though, they were just as poor as my paternal Alabama side that had little to no admixture.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You gotta make sure post the tile of these books. I want to read them for myself as well.

no doubt

The thing that I never understood about Garvey hating "mulattoes" was his lack of understanding and empathy that 99% of those at that time who were ADOS "Mulattoes" --- were via rape -- or grandchildren of rape victims. So that is the reason for their color/hue.

I hate how people look at ADOS mixed people via enslavement and reconstruction/Jim Crow time. Cause, it was not consensual.

He was emotionally scarred from what jamaican mulattoes were doing in jamaica against/over the "pure blacks lol; every West Indian leader that knew him in the USA pretty much confirmed this

Yet, they many still believe that most of those who were light skin = mulattoes ... or mulattoes/mixed by choice. Most didn't have "privilege" cause they were light or mixed -- they were just Black.

AfroAmericans told him this time and time again

I am assuming he would have hated my Alabama maternal side cause they were "light" and products of rape -- and just Black. Even though, they were just as poor as my paternal Alabama side that had little to no admixture.

The funny thing about Garvey hating mixed was that while he was preaching a form of "true negroism," he actually wasn't practicing what he was preaching:

His wife was part of the brown/mulatto class in Jamaica her words/thoughts on how Garvey saw her beauty:

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according to his wife, before he married her, he wanted to this Afram woman below :

......she looked like a quadroon compared to his wife; Garvey clearly liked the light skinns even while claiming to hate them

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You gotta make sure post the tile of these books. I want to read them for myself as well.

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The Dubois quotes are from: W. E. B. Du Bois on Africa

The Pickens parts are from:

Up from Washington
William Pickens and the Negro Struggle for Equality, 1900-1954


The part with Garvey talking about West Indians lacking race consciousness is from:

Holding Aloft the Banner of Ethiopia
Caribbean Radicalism in Early-Twentieth Century America

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Most of the Democrat voting neo liberal sambos on this site would have supported sending Garvey back to London in a body bag

Garvey was out here almost wishing Aframs were getting put in body bags by the KKK

 

[Losttribe]

Lol at yall hating Garvey.
This is right in line with everything else you guys be on.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lol at yall hating Garvey.
This is right in line with everything else you guys be on.

not hate; just showing that he was moving funny on foreign land trying to get the "natives" stuck to increase the membership to his organization



more funny ish:

 

[Cadillac]

LOL the way Garvey was moving he was practically a prelude to how other nonados move and function here under the guise of "black empowerment"

 

[IllmaticDelta]

LOL the way Garvey was moving he was practically a prelude to how other nonados move and function here under the guise of "black empowerment"

 

[Cadillac]

rooting on the devilness of Cacs, under the guise of black empowerment - Check
Wanting ADOS people to move to some other land and leave the only home we known- Check

Hating lighterskin/mixed Black people - Check
But at the same time lusting after lighterskinned/mixed black women - Also check

Trying to tell those black americans they arent black - Check

Wants to bring his backward fukked up system from home onto black americans - Check

Stealing Black americans flow(no soulja) and then telling them how to use it, like ADOS didn't invent it - Check

Most ADOS people aint trying to hear that so it results in mostly other nonados people to check for him - Check

 

[IllmaticDelta]

rooting on the devilness of Cacs, under the guise of black empowerment - Check
Wanting ADOS people to move to some other land and leave the only home we known- Check

Hating lighterskin/mixed Black people - Check
But at the same time lusting after lighterskinned/mixed black women - Also check

Trying to tell those black americans they arent black - Check

Wants to bring his backward fukked up system from home onto black americans - Check

Stealing Black americans flow(no soulja) and then telling them how to use it, like ADOS didn't invent it - Check

Most ADOS people aint trying to hear that so it results in mostly other nonados people to check for him - Check

 

[IllmaticDelta]

not hate; just showing that he was moving funny on foreign land trying to get the "natives" stuck to increase the membership to his organization



more funny ish:

some background info:

During the 1922 convention, Garvey gained virtually complete control of the UNIA by silencing his opposition, but he gained this control at the cost of increasing disaffection inside, and dissent outside, the movement. By 1924, of the officers elected at the original 1920 convention, only two---Garvey and Henrietta Vinton Davis---remained. Rev. J. W. H. Eason, impeached during the 1922 convention, emerged as an open rival, and, with J. Austin Norris, another former UNIA stalwart, he attempted to constitute a competing UNIA under the name of the Universal Negro Alliance.

Eason, by then a potential prosecution witness in Garvey's mail fraud trial, was assassinated in New Orleans in January 1923, and two UNIA adherents, William Shakespeare and Constantine F. Dyer, were charged with the crime. Although initially convicted of manslaughter, they were acquitted in August of the following year. The Bureau of Investigation's agents believed that Esau Ramus, a minor UNIA official who had recently been sent by Garvey to the New Orleans division, was the real assassin. While it is impossible to determine Garvey's role in the killing (he denounced it, and attributed the murder to Eason's "woman affair") (Negro World, 13 January 1923), the publicity surrounding the assassination of Eason cast a pall over the movement and did Garvey no small damage.

Mgpp .::. UCLA Africa Studies Center


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Garvey believed black people would never receive justice in white-dominated societies and sought to return blacks to their ancestral home.
Originally, the message resonated with Eason. After serving as an African Methodist Episcopal Zion minister, he left the pulpit to join Garvey’s organization.
His decision came after the tumultuous summer of 1919, when race riots broke out in 26 American cities. Eason traveled the nation, raising more than $1 million for Garvey’s panoply of businesses, including the Black Star Line.
But by 1921, he discovered that Garvey had siphoned off most of the money and that none of the three ships was seaworthy. He began to talk to the FBI, and it became known he would testify in federal court against Garvey.
But on Jan. 1, 1923, while in New Orleans for a speech, Eason was shot in the back and killed. He was 36.
Three months later, a laborer named Esau Ramus who was wanted on a theft charge in New York was arrested and indicted for the murder. Despite efforts by the FBI and Louisiana to extradite Ramus, he was tried on the theft charge, spent three years in prison and then disappeared.
Garvey was eventually sent to prison for mail fraud for having received donations for the inoperable Black Star Line. When he was paroled in 1927, he was deported and later died in England.
Eason’s case died, too - until 10 years ago when Youssef came across his FBI file while researching her book “Marcus Garvey Exposed.”
Though the book only briefly deals with Eason, Youssef spent the ensuing years collecting information about his life and proof that Garvey had him assassinated.
She displays a Nov. 9, 1922, letter from Garvey to a New Orleans UNIA leader that introduces Ramus as a friend of the movement and places Ramus in the city when Eason visited. She displays a Feb. 3, 1923, letter to the Chicago Defender, a prominent black newspaper, in which the writer - whose handwriting reportedly matches Ramus’ - takes credit for killing Eason.
Youssef said the two letters link Garvey directly to the murder of Eason. More direct evidence, Youssef said, would be a copy of the deposition Eason gave the FBI in 1922.

https://www.ocala.com/article/LK/20050220/News/604223210/OS

 

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[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

FBI had Boule's W.E.B. Dubois to sabotage and discredit Garvey's chances of getting a strong foothold in US black empowerment. Too bad it backfired decades later when Dubois was imprisoned for the same shyt.

breh left america and lived the rest of his days and is buried in ghana correct?

 

[thekingsmen]

breh left america and lived the rest of his days and is buried in ghana correct?

Dubois? Yes