Jalen Rose's charter school is a flop its 1st year

[Godless Socialist CEO]

CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE BAD FOLKS. THEY NEED TO GO AWAY AND WE NEED TO PROPERLY FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION AGAIN

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

That sounds nice but it hasn't worked very well for the last 50 years.

Why do we force children to go to their local neighborhood school simply because of where they live? What if the school is trash? Then what? If the parents don't have any money then they have no options.

In no other industry do we accept that kind of monopoly. Imagine if you could only go to one hospital or one grocery store for years. But for some reason when it comes to schools we accept this when the reality is that different kinds of kids have different kinds of needs. The effect of not having school choice is that certain communities have been locked into poverty with no access to a school that is set up to help them escape it.

All that being said charter schools are not always the answer. Some of them are great and should be applauded for high school or college graduation rates. Many of them are just as good as local district schools but maybe offer different things and others are complete trash. But why wouldn't you give a parent the option to decide?

Do you think the people that push "School Choice" have any real interest improving education for kids?

It's a grift to lower the tax bill, and line the pockets of charter school owners. That's it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They have done everything but to fund the poor performing schools which is my point. For profit schools imo isn't the solution but I respect your opinion but we gotta get rid of funding schools with property taxes or else nothing fundamentally changes.

not all charter schools are for profit, not sure why you keep saying that. and with more oversight and regulation, there are ways to tighten up the grift taking place at some of them. i addressed property taxes already, even is equally distributed, at best you now end up with an entire district of mediocre schools, losing the outstanding ones, that's not a great outcome either.

also

Nationwide, low-income students, especially black and Hispanic, tend to benefit from charters the most, studies show. But for white and Asian students, as Finn notes, “the effects are generally neutral or negative.”

The Battle Over Charter Schools

so while these aren't the only way to go, and there are plenty of terrible charters, they are generally a net positive for low income minorities - even if the gains are minimal.
http://library.ccsa.org/African Ame...nce in Charters Fact Sheet_FINAL_May 2018.pdf

let me make it clear, i'm in this thread as an advocate of charters being A PART of the solution to address poor public education, not as an advocate of them being THE solution. yall can keep hoping for schools to be properly funded, but my whole life i've seen people waiting for and fighting for just that and it hasn't happened, so something else needs to be done.

 

[Consigliere]

We should try to eliminate property taxes being tied to school funding. One of the post segregation laws that cripple our community.

I know you've been blown up in this already, but for those of us sitting on the sideline and funding this entropy with our tax dollars



The American educational system isn’t lacking money and teachers always want this to be the solution. You could spend $1M/student and the results would be largely the same because those kids have to go home to their family at the end of the day.

Sure you you can make change around the edges, but educational professionals should be the first to understand the law of diminishing returns. Be honest about the challenges your students face.

 

[King Sun]

I know you've been blown up in this already, but for those of us sitting on the sideline and funding this entropy with our tax dollars



The American educational system isn’t lacking money and teachers always want this to be the solution. You could spend $1M/student and the results would be largely the same because those kids have to go home to their family at the end of the day.

Sure you you can make change around the edges, but educational professionals should be the first to understand the law of diminishing returns. Be honest about the challenges your students face.

Y'all sound like republicans at this point. My whole is none of these poor performing schools have the funding to properly educate the kids and blame the parents? My sister just had to pull her daughter from a charter school because the teachers themselves told her they don't even have the money to teach her properly. . Can anyone that disagree with me can link up a school that got the funding and resources like the suburbia schools for the same amount of time and failed I would be happy not to say shyt.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Y'all sound like republicans at this point.

Propaganda works, anyone saying “school choice” has basically been brainwashed at this point

 

[Shogun]

All the funding in the world won’t change anything until American culture begins valuing education.

 

[King Sun]

Propaganda works, anyone saying “school choice” has basically been brainwashed at this point

Man my sister just had to pull my niece from a literally black charter school to a transfer to a public school in Dallas just because they don't even have the resources . Plus the funding for those charter schools are usually from right wing cacs they don't want y'all to mingle with their kids anyway.

 

[King Sun]

All the funding in the world won’t change anything until American culture begins valuing education.

again how do you know this the school was never properly funded in the first place .

 

[EndDomination]

First thing that comes to mind is Newark, NJ. You are going to tell me that there are alternative schools and magnet schools at the high school level. Sure. But what does a parent do for the first 9 years of their child's education for school alternative if their neighborhood school is not working for their kids?

Considering Newark is one of a many districts with a glut of charter schools, and whose mismanagement led to the schools being run by the state, which pushed the exact public-private partnership you're claiming are a solution - it neither fits the description I just gave, nor does it prove your point.

If none of the local schools are working for your child, and you can't afford parochial schools, and you refuse to do basic advocacy for your child to ensure they get their needs met at one of the many local elementary schools - and you're not pushing for their involvement in any of the numerous school programs - then that's on you. Go to the school board meetings, put at least a modicum of pressure on the district, due your due diligence as a parent

I also need you to clarify what "not working for your kid" means, because if the public schools aren't working, the charter schools aren't going to be the "superman" for your kid either. Put them in gifted and talented/honors, put them in the local break and summer programs, etc.

 

[Consigliere]

Y'all sound like republicans at this point. My whole is none of these poor performing schools have the funding to properly educate the kids and blame the parents? My sister just had to pull her daughter from a charter school because the teachers themselves told her they don't even have the money to teach her properly. . Can anyone that disagree with me can link up a school that got the funding and resources like the suburbia schools for the same amount of time and failed I would be happy not to say shyt.

I have multiple teachers in my family. I know how hard the job is. And I've watched and helped them raise funds for miscellaneous items for their class that the school budget didn’t account for.

Terrible stuff and teachers are heroes.

All that said, more money isn’t the solution because the school system will just mismanage it before it ever gets to the class room level. Public school teachers in MD average more than $61k a year in salary and they work less than 2080 hours a year. For contrast sake the average annual salary in Maryland is $40,341. Not bad.

The real solution here, just like across most of government, is to do a better job managing the funds you already have. And that’s where other approaches are needed. You cannot rely on the government to solve this problem. You cannot rely on bureaucrats. Because there are people operating in the public space in a for profit manner. At a certain point it’s cheaper to cut out the middle man.

 

[EndDomination]

ok, so what about the communities that have been demanding more for years yet watch schools get worse and worse? at what point do you do something different or do you simply settle for the insanity of doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Those same communities are now three generations deep with charter schools failing in precisely the same way, except they've also helped ensure that a few people have also gotten richer off of our tax dollars.

You're advocating for a different kind of "insanity" by backing charter schools.

oakland - the vast majority of kids are relegated to their assigned district (based on where they live). there has been some movement to create ranked choice applications which the most vigilant of parents might take advantage of (though they are filled with layers upon layers of prioritization attributes which make getting out of your district tough...we also don't have school buses, so if you're a parent who can't take your kid to school, you're unlikely to send them far from home, at least in elementary), but the best elementary schools are mostly filled with local kids with the majority of the remainder (which is a small percentage) going to prioritized census tracts, and the only truly good high school is damn near impossible to get into if you're not in the assigned district as it's already overenrolled from just local kids.

OUSD also doesn't have magnet schools (there are a couple of magnet charter schools), and the alternative schools mainly cater to the most disruptive, behaviorally challenged, violent kids (those who've been expelled from other schools), kids who've been in juvie or other correctional programs, kids who are parents/pregnant, and/or kids who will turn 19+ before finishing high school. OUSD is a pure shyt show

edit: also, the parochial (catholic) schools in Oakland all cost money

OUSD also is full of charter schools and the exact social ills that come out of poverty, right?

With all due respect, what you wrote isn't feasible.

The wealthier sections of each state tend to view the poorer areas as a drain on state resources already. Their assemblymen/state senators won't sign off on increased funding for failing school districts.

Greater community investment from where? The residents from the poor districts? The private sector? You said you are wary of public/private partnerships.

It absolutely is feasible, it just requires public participation - like everything else in our slow-moving government. My concern isn't holding my hand out and waiting for assembly men and state congresspeople to wake up one day and decide to prioritize education - my concern is pressuring them to do so, until they do.

Charter schools aren't going to fix any of the issues that the American education system currently faces, they're at best a fantasy, and at worse downright predatory and harmful to the already weakened public school systems.

The problem is there confronting it as well. You seem to want to skip that. People have been fighting for better schools for decades, it’s the reason charters have been able to boom the past 20ish years, people are at wit’s end with trying to fight a system officials and governments can’t seem to, or don’t care to, fix

And charter schools are failing in the exact same way.

If one actually cares about fighting the system, then you don't give your tax money to a small cadre of investors hoping that they'll give you back some modicum of improved education - you actually push for increased funding and resources for schools, and you work to alleviate the current other ills, like those around housing insecurity, food insecurity, and wealth inequality.

 

[Shogun]

again how do you know this the school was never properly funded in the first place .

Was more a general comment…didn’t mean to single out this particular school.

 

[mastermind]

again how do you know this the school was never properly funded in the first place .

You are right, but that is his point. We don’t properly value education. It’s one of those instances where money does talk.

 

[Yaboysix]

I didn’t know a school could be a “flop”. Sound like haters! Black man, trying.