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Have you seen how charter schools advertise, fear monger, and recruit?
It's practically brainwashing
Jalen Rose's charter school is a flop its 1st year
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Have you seen how charter schools advertise, fear monger, and recruit?
It's practically brainwashing
dora_da_destroyer
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Advertising ain’t how these parents become aware of them. And I’ve never seen an ad for Oakland’s charter schools.
like I said, parents are out here looking at the options available during enrollment and taking the better bet
88m3
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Advertising ain’t how these parents become aware of them. And I’ve never seen an ad for Oakland’s charter schools.
like I said, parents are out here looking at the options available during enrollment and taking the better bet
Ads are everywhere here to the point I can't avoid them in my daily life it's 24/7 full tilt
they brainwash the kids and the parents. they're cults with their own slogans and jargons just like shytty corporate jobs
Behind the puppet strings there's hundreds of millions maybe even billions of dollars at stake. Our tax dollars and their revenue... it casts a wide net.
I don't think your experience is widespread
You don't seem to understand or care about the damage that charter schools are doing to the students they educate and resulting damage done to public schools
To you it's just a "choice" and that's a very surface level and shallow analysis.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
the schools are in the same state they were before charter schools, the charter schools have slightly better outcomes…so what damage are they doing to the kids they educate.
it’s a shallow and surface analysis to blanket all charter schools as bad, and it’s damn near remedial to just say “fund the public schools” as if that’s all it takes to get it done.
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Don't forget defunding the shyt out of public schools and funnel public cash into private coffers something the supreme court has recently ok'd even though they've been doing it for years via "vouchers". It's such an obvious grift they may as well be shytting in your yard laughing at you.
Unregulated education is the dumbest fukking idea ever.
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There's alot of you spouting talking points voicing your perceptions of how schools operate.
But most of you have not worked in schools. I have worked in traditional schools and worked in charter schools in several different states. I know many people who work in both. My opinion is informed by years of real experience in the sector.
Any broad generalizations that you're making are just wrong. Charter schools operate for many different reasons and serve different populations. Some serve rich kids, many serve impoverished communities. Some have people that are really committed to educational excellence. Like genuinely. A small minority have opportunists looking to get rich. Many don't give a fukk if they work at a traditional school or a charter. They are just trying to help kids learn and attain upward mobility and trying to find the best way to do that.
I posted a research paper in this thread that is a summary of many other research papers on this subject but you all don't want to look at it. You are so convinced of your position that any evidence to the contrary causes you to be defensive.
And some traditional public schools are highly effective. But tenure and unionization hurt kids in many cases because there isn't enough flexibility to make sure that the best person who is ready to teach students is in front of the classroom. At It's worse there are teachers who have literally harmed kids who are protected by their unions in the same way that crooked police who harass black people are protected by the police union.
We have to stop acting like unionization is a universal good. Unions were created to combat greed and excess profit seeking. But in the public sector like police and education the profit motive isn't there so unionization doesn't provide the same benefits. But we ignore this and act like all labor needs protection whether there is a profit motive or not and it leads to perverse outcomes.
You also think that because republicans backed charter schools that they must be evil. But actually republicans don't give a shyt about charter schools. They just want to push a privatization agenda and they believe that charter schools are a bridge to get there. When the shyt hit the fan Trump proposed defunding charter schools in one of his last budget proposals to Congress in favor of privatization.
But you'll can continue with the narrative that dominates the media now rather than actually look more closely at the issue for complexity and nuance. I'm not saying I am 100% correct here but there are definitely not simple answers to the question or what is best for kids, parents and communities in education. Trust me on this.
But most of you have not worked in schools. I have worked in traditional schools and worked in charter schools in several different states. I know many people who work in both. My opinion is informed by years of real experience in the sector.
Any broad generalizations that you're making are just wrong. Charter schools operate for many different reasons and serve different populations. Some serve rich kids, many serve impoverished communities. Some have people that are really committed to educational excellence. Like genuinely. A small minority have opportunists looking to get rich. Many don't give a fukk if they work at a traditional school or a charter. They are just trying to help kids learn and attain upward mobility and trying to find the best way to do that.
I posted a research paper in this thread that is a summary of many other research papers on this subject but you all don't want to look at it. You are so convinced of your position that any evidence to the contrary causes you to be defensive.
And some traditional public schools are highly effective. But tenure and unionization hurt kids in many cases because there isn't enough flexibility to make sure that the best person who is ready to teach students is in front of the classroom. At It's worse there are teachers who have literally harmed kids who are protected by their unions in the same way that crooked police who harass black people are protected by the police union.
We have to stop acting like unionization is a universal good. Unions were created to combat greed and excess profit seeking. But in the public sector like police and education the profit motive isn't there so unionization doesn't provide the same benefits. But we ignore this and act like all labor needs protection whether there is a profit motive or not and it leads to perverse outcomes.
You also think that because republicans backed charter schools that they must be evil. But actually republicans don't give a shyt about charter schools. They just want to push a privatization agenda and they believe that charter schools are a bridge to get there. When the shyt hit the fan Trump proposed defunding charter schools in one of his last budget proposals to Congress in favor of privatization.
But you'll can continue with the narrative that dominates the media now rather than actually look more closely at the issue for complexity and nuance. I'm not saying I am 100% correct here but there are definitely not simple answers to the question or what is best for kids, parents and communities in education. Trust me on this.
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O boy here we go with the bashing teachers unions 
. How dare these employees unionize to protect themselves.
Don't you dare lump evil ass cop unions in with teachers unions. FOH with that my guy
. How dare these employees unionize to protect themselves.Don't you dare lump evil ass cop unions in with teachers unions. FOH with that my guy
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Have you ever worked in schools?O boy here we go with the bashing teachers unions
Don't you dare lump evil ass cop unions in with teachers unions. FOH with that my guy
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My guy you just compared police unions to teachers unions. It doesn't take someone working in schools to realize what a fukking reach that is. You got about 2 paragraphs in and starting attacking the one thing protecting teachers from getting absolutely destroyed by the state. fukk all that.
dora_da_destroyer
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They both overreach and hold local governments hostage. Or simply because cops = bad in your mind are we not supposed to see the similarities in how damn near all public employee unions bully, hamstring and exploit government budgets?
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So you just ignore my point because I put teachers unions and police unions in the same sentence? I said "At its worst..." But go ahead and cherry pick. The point is that it is inefficient and protects the worst performers who don't deserve protection if they are not serving kids well.
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Cops are fukking bad. "Hold Government hostage" Jesus Christ guys come the fukk on. Unionization is a good thing. Period. You're not going to convince me otherwise, I live in a country in which we've seen the results of getting rid of unions.. IT'S BAD
Godless Socialist CEO
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You're literally arguing for privatization and don't realize it. Dissolution of unions is a big step in that direction. No thanks
Any argument that ultimately wants to move towards privatization and unregulated education aint one I'm interested in. It's dangerous and shouldn't even be a thing.
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Again with this 100% good nonsense with no nuance. Simplistic thinking lack complexity. I would respect your opinion if you said in most cases unions are good but to say that it must be good in all circumstances means that you aren't really willing to dig into the issue and figure out when it is beneficial when it is not.