Jalen Rose's charter school is a flop its 1st year

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Those same communities are now three generations deep with charter schools failing in precisely the same way, except they've also helped ensure that a few people have also gotten richer off of our tax dollars.

You're advocating for a different kind of "insanity" by backing charter schools.


OUSD also is full of charter schools and the exact social ills that come out of poverty, right?

It absolutely is feasible, it just requires public participation - like everything else in our slow-moving government. My concern isn't holding my hand out and waiting for assembly men and state congresspeople to wake up one day and decide to prioritize education - my concern is pressuring them to do so, until they do.

Charter schools aren't going to fix any of the issues that the American education system currently faces, they're at best a fantasy, and at worse downright predatory and harmful to the already weakened public school systems.

And charter schools are failing in the exact same way.

If one actually cares about fighting the system, then you don't give your tax money to a small cadre of investors hoping that they'll give you back some modicum of improved education - you actually push for increased funding and resources for schools, and you work to alleviate the current other ills, like those around housing insecurity, food insecurity, and wealth inequality.
Ehh, plenty of my later replies in this thread address all of your rebuttals including a study showing charter schools producing better results in Oakland

as I’ve said repeatedly, I’m not advocating for fully going the way of charters, I am saying they can be, and are, part of the attempt to do something different. Y’all act like it’s so easy to simply fix all that is wrong while ignoring a 50 year descent that says, actually it is hard to fix because not enough people in power have to, nor care to, fix it.
 

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Public school teachers in MD average more than $61k a year in salary and they work less than 2080 hours a year
Where is this hours figure coming from? I've never known a teacher that was able to just work their set hours. At least not a good one.
 
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CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE BAD FOLKS. THEY NEED TO GO AWAY AND WE NEED TO PROPERLY FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION AGAIN

It's quite the façade. You dress up some black kids, get them to be quiet in class, get some nice press...meanwhile you're just passing them from grade to grade so they can graduate. And after that you've produced what: a well behaved d-student who will fit right into a low wage job somewhere.
 

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I know you've been blown up in this already, but for those of us sitting on the sideline and funding this entropy with our tax dollars

:stopitslime:

The American educational system isn’t lacking money and teachers always want this to be the solution. You could spend $1M/student and the results would be largely the same because those kids have to go home to their family at the end of the day.

Sure you you can make change around the edges, but educational professionals should be the first to understand the law of diminishing returns. Be honest about the challenges your students face.

That’s the ugly truth nobody wants to talk about. U can work with and mentor a kid all day long, but he still gonna go home into that same bad environment at the end of the day.
 

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Ok. I thought it was something like that. No teacher that I know is working a 40 hour work week.

I’m not advocating for teachers to get paid less. They should be paid more or have expense accounts to cover their classroom costs.

My main gripe with blaming poor student performance on money is that it doesn’t address the core issue. And the public school system generally spends their funds inefficiently before it ever hits the classroom.
 
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It's quite the façade. You dress up some black kids, get them to be quiet in class, get some nice press...meanwhile you're just passing them from grade to grade so they can graduate. And after that you've produced what: a well behaved d-student who will fit right into a low wage job somewhere.

It's so weird how people still in 2021 actually think Republicans are ever acting in good faith about anything. We got folks in here caping for charter schools, something that's pushed hard by nutjobs like Ron Desantis. Let me tell you as a Florida resident Ron Desantis doesn't give a flying fukking about kids education or children in general
 
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Ehh, plenty of my later replies in this thread address all of your rebuttals including a study showing charter schools producing better results in Oakland

as I’ve said repeatedly, I’m not advocating for fully going the way of charters, I am saying they can be, and are, part of the attempt to do something different. Y’all act like it’s so easy to simply fix all that is wrong while ignoring a 50 year descent that says, actually it is hard to fix because not enough people in power have to, nor care to, fix it.

Feeding black kids into any system that right wingers heavily push is a really bad fukking idea man. It's really that simple
 

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Feeding black kids into any system that right wingers heavily push is a really bad fukking idea man. It's really that simple
Well on the ground floor, this isn’t a right wing thing. Y’all really gotta stop with these generic “progressive talking points” when it comes to actual people and real life decisions
 
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Well on the ground floor, this isn’t a right wing thing. Y’all really gotta stop with these generic “progressive talking points” when it comes to actual people and real life decisions

Y'all gotta stop acting like bad faith actors are actually attempting to improve life for people in this country.

"Generic talking point" It's not a "generic talking point" to see a bunch of soulless evil grifters pushing something and realizing maybe we shouldn't be doing this.
 

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I’m not advocating for teachers to get paid less. They should be paid more or have expense accounts to cover their classroom costs.

My main gripe with blaming poor student performance on money is that it doesn’t address the core issue. And the public school system generally spends their funds inefficiently before it ever hits the classroom.

You raised a few decent points but the rest of it is just Republican talking points punching down against the working class in a race to the bottom of low wages and benefits for workers. Very disturbing
 

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Well on the ground floor, this isn’t a right wing thing.


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