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Master Baker
Like I’ve posed to others - then what is? Clearly great public schools for all isn’t happening so we shouldn’t try other things whether they succeed or not? We simply shouldn’t even attempt to try…ok
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We should try to eliminate property taxes being tied to school funding. One of the post segregation laws that cripple our community.
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How practical is it that this measure passes in any municipality?
What would replace the funding?
How are these post segregation laws? I thought that schools have been funded like this for several decades, and that white flight (residents & businesses) is what reduced the tax base for schools in urban areas
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These are black kids from the hoods of Detroit. 13% is actually above average.
One school isn’t going to fix the strong anti-intellectual movement going on in the black community. Look at this thread!
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Funding is only part of the issue.
Reduce police funding. I live in a city where schools have to close because its too hot for them to operate while the police roll around in a 500 mil budget doing nothing. I know irs its impoweing to "do it on your own" but this shyt hasn't worked on a large scale ever.
The issue is purely socio economic
the non poor zip codes have no issue raising property taxes every year for more funding for their schools. That can’t happen in the the inner city
the minorities that value education move their kids to better school systems or private schools
like @mastermind said the affluent don’t like the poor.
You’re larger left with underfunded schools of kids with of parents that don’t really value education
Reducing the police funding ain’t the answer at all
Yup because the police needs all the money to kill and continue to lock dudes up
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Master Baker
Property taxes only make up about 20-25% of public school funding in CA and it’s not the majority and most states it’s under 30% if the budget (scroll down to see map 8.3 Who Pays: Where California's Public School Funds Come From | ED100)
I agree that property tax funding has been problematic, but even without being the main source of funding our schools are very underfunded and inequitable.
Furthermore, I went to an out of district public elementary in an affluent area where the PTA easily took in a couple hundred thousand per year from parent donations to fund extracurriculars and other educational programs that were being cut elsewhere (art, music, science lab, library) - I say that to say, our system is designed to have/allow “less than” schools…so again, we shouldn’t try new options to get underserved kids access to quality free schools?
The quality schools are not the main issue hereProperty taxes only make up about 20-25% of public school funding in CA and it’s not the majority and most states it’s under 30% if the budget (scroll down to see map 8.3 Who Pays: Where California's Public School Funds Come From | ED100)
I agree that property tax funding has been problematic, but even without being the main source of funding our schools are very underfunded and inequitable.
Furthermore, I went to an out of district public elementary in an affluent area where the PTA easily took in a couple hundred thousand per year from parent donations to fund extracurriculars and other educational programs that were being cut elsewhere (art, music, science lab, library) - I say that to say, our system is designed to have/allow “less than” schools…so again, we shouldn’t try new options to get underserved kids access to quality free schools?
putting failing students in nicer schools doesn’t make the kids better students
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Master Baker
You’re speaking in generalities as that’s not how property taxes work in CA. I will say, as in my post above, affluent areas have parents who don’t mind donating money to the school for extra programs, but that’s something that’ll happen regardless of how schools are funded.
In a high COL area like CA, poor minorities can’t afford to move to better school districts (cost of housing is a barrier as well as less rental property specifically in Oakland when talking about the neighborhoods that house good elementary schools) and they can’t afford private unless they receive financial aid. The other issue with this is it requires parents to value education and we all know there are tons of lower income parents that don’t value education (they attained very little themselves) or they’re too busy working to be as involved with education. Sure you can say - thats their fault then - but we’re not even giving kids a chance to discover their own aptitude when confining them to shytty neighborhood schools. I know plenty of people who did well academically despite coming from a home that wasn’t pushing it simply because they were lotto’ed into a better school district. We need to be offering competent schools in poor districts and at least give these kids a chance, but we’re not
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Master Baker
It is the main issue, it’s the reason charter schools started getting a push…the whole reason this thread exists, people don’t feel like charter schools are a way to provide better schooling/results
and what are you talking about with failing kids? This extends to elementary, there is no failing kindergartener/1st grader - it’s their first years in school…but you can create failing kids by having them stuck in crap schools that don’t keep them at pace with where they should be. So yes, you can’t put a 6th grade who is at a 3rd grade level in a great school and expect some magic results, but you can put early elementary kids in schools that will keep them on pace so they won’t become failing 6th/7th/8th/9th graders.
This is not a quality school issueIt is the main issue, it’s the reason charter schools started getting a push…the whole reason this thread exists, people don’t feel like charter schools are a way to provide better schooling/results
and what are you talking about with failing kids? This extends to elementary, there is no failing kindergartener/1st grader - it’s their first years in school…but you can create failing kids by having them stuck in crap schools that don’t keep them at pace with where they should be. So yes, you can’t put a 6th grade who is at a 3rd grade level in a great school and expect some magic results, but you can put early elementary kids in schools that will keep them on pace so they won’t become failing 6th/7th/8th/9th graders.
parenting and home factors and poverty are a much bigger force on the success of a students at any age.
You seem to think if you take all the kids from the hood and put in them in school systems of the wealthy then they will excel.
property taxes don’t make up most of the funding buts it the difference in retaining the best teachers and having access to the best resources, smaller class size, etc
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Master Baker
no, I don’t, I feel that kids of all backgrounds should be given access to competent, free schools where aptitude and interests at least have a shot at overriding economics and home environment. It won’t be some fix-all for all disadvantaged kids, but at least they’re being given the opportunity. These kids don’t even have a shot at escaping the cycle the way schools are set up
and we’re taking about charter schools and why they exist - because of broken public schools. You’re the one conflating this with student achievement which is a slightly different conversation that has to do with both quality of school and environmental factors.
To your point about property taxes being what retains teachers, no it’s not. Better run schools with better (behaved kids) affects teacher retention, class size has to do with district size and school demand - many of the better elementary schools in Oakland have bigger classes (higher teacher to student ratios) than those in lower economic neighborhoods, and I’ve already stated how the schools in more affluent areas get better resources from parent donations - not localized property tax. The property tax issue, specifically in California, is not the biggest issue when it comes to fixing public schools.