The Suns don't like to pay players more than they are worth or they will get rid of them. I can see them cutting tied with Bledsoe if the price is too much.
Is the PG position really worth a max contract?
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MooseMouthMthafuga
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I could see that happening.The way Dragic is playing right now could make that a easy decision.
There's been rumblings coming out of the Bledsoe camp that he wants a max deal.I think a team would be stupid to give him that.He's a good starter, but he'll never make any All Star/All NBA teams.
The Suns aren't going to give him that. They want Hayward and is willing to pay the max for him. To me, Hayward is a young Dan Majerle. Not sure he's worth the max.
Ritzy Sharon
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Lawson is the engine of our offense and basically the only guy on the team that can consistency create his own shot since Young Gelato went down. even though we have the best PG depth in the league, we look like a lotto squad when Lawson is out or playing hurt. it's ridiculous how much we depend on him to be successful. worth every penny.
we counting Lawson's salary when McGee is straight stealing money from this team.
we counting Lawson's salary when McGee is straight stealing money from this team.
Steve Nash deserved the max during his Sun's run.
Chris Paul in 08, surrounded by the right talent could have won a championship.
A truly HOF, elite PG is always worth the max just like any other equivalent talent at another position. Incompetent GMs and the less frequency of truly great PG coming through the league have more to do with the lack of success with franchise PG than does anything inherent with the position.
Chris Paul in 08, surrounded by the right talent could have won a championship.
A truly HOF, elite PG is always worth the max just like any other equivalent talent at another position. Incompetent GMs and the less frequency of truly great PG coming through the league have more to do with the lack of success with franchise PG than does anything inherent with the position.
MooseMouthMthafuga
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He has even less value than Bledsoe IMO
But it is Phoenix, and they love their white boys out there.Plus Hornacek used to coach Hayward...It adds up, but I think that would be dumb as fukk on the Suns part
I think the key issue is being overlooked. It's not about the position of PG, it's about 6'nothin nikkas aka the majority of them. If you best player is only 6'0 that puts limitations on what you are able to do offensively and defensively. Then add to that you have more and more taller players who are able to give you what traditional PGs are known to provide. I'm really not sure what the argument to the contrary is. 
Yes we can talk about the top PGs not having championship casts but the rebuttal to that is what exactly does it takes to put a championship cast around a PG? If you replace Lebron with CP3 or Westbrook or Rose
the Heat win it all the last couple years? How about in Dirk's spot in 2011? Or maybe Kobe's in 09, 10? Pierce in 2008? Duncan in 07? Wade in 06? And so on. Conversely who beats these Clippers with Bron, Kobe, or prime Dirk, Duncan in CP3's spot? Who beats the Thunder with any of those guys in Westbrook's place? With bigger guys you can move them around and have them play different roles if their skills happen to overlap(see Lebron/Wade). Smaller PGs aren't as versatile. Clips had to trade Bledsoe (who is beasting) because you can't have two small guards.
Yes we can talk about the top PGs not having championship casts but the rebuttal to that is what exactly does it takes to put a championship cast around a PG? If you replace Lebron with CP3 or Westbrook or Rose
the Heat win it all the last couple years? How about in Dirk's spot in 2011? Or maybe Kobe's in 09, 10? Pierce in 2008? Duncan in 07? Wade in 06? And so on. Conversely who beats these Clippers with Bron, Kobe, or prime Dirk, Duncan in CP3's spot? Who beats the Thunder with any of those guys in Westbrook's place? With bigger guys you can move them around and have them play different roles if their skills happen to overlap(see Lebron/Wade). Smaller PGs aren't as versatile. Clips had to trade Bledsoe (who is beasting) because you can't have two small guards.
And their next best players are Jamal Crawford, JJ Redikk and Deandre Jordan, with basically nothing after that.
The Clippers aren't loaded by any means. The only reason they're a fringe contender is because of Paul.
And their next best players are Jamal Crawford, JJ Redikk and Deandre Jordan, with basically nothing after that.
The Clippers aren't loaded by any means. The only reason they're a fringe contender is because of Paul.
And they would be a straight up contender with a top wing/big AND Bledsoe. Not shytting on Paul because I respect his game but it is what it is.
So they'd be a contender if they added a legit wing with a good PG...which is exactly what the problem is now. The same team that traded Bledsoe for Redikk...and pays Redikk and Dudley a combined $11 million.And they would be a straight up contender with a top wing/big AND Bledsoe. Not shytting on Paul because I respect his game but it is what it is.
The problem isn't Paul's max deal, it's the $30 million they have wrapped up in DJ, Redikk, Dudley, Crawford and Barnes.
And their next best players are Jamal Crawford, JJ Redikk and Deandre Jordan, with basically nothing after that.
The Clippers aren't loaded by any means. The only reason they're a fringe contender is because of Paul.
I never said they were I was just asking what type of talent would be needed to be added to make them chip contenders. Tbh many people had them as contenders going into this year regardless.
Loses a step? We talking about Curry's ankle issues here. If the argument is that you won't be giving Curry the max because of his ankles, than it won't be because he loses a step, it will because he won't be able to get out on the court. Transitioning into other positions doesn't even come into the equation. At position value, how's Curry's situation any different to Bynum's?
Bynum isn't getting anymore max deals, now is he? Curry even with the shoddy ankles is going to demand a max contract the next go around and he will probably get it. I love Curry's game, but no way I'd give him a max contract either
This is a ridiculous question breh since hindsight is 20/20, you can point to nearly any championship team and say "replace X with Y". You could say the Heat would have won a title last year with Harden at the two with how limited Wade was in the playoffs. This is like asking if the Pacers would be contenders with Melo instead of Paul George, you can't just look at good/title teams after the fact and say "Well drop them on there instead of"....how about building around a PG and getting those results to begin with. Nevermind the fact that you drop Rose/Wall/Paul onto the Spurs in 06-07 and it's still Duncan that the team is built around, not them. Also, Parker wasn't worth a max contract when he signed his extension in 2004, he wasn't even an all-star at the point and was laying eggs in the playoffs, shot 38% against Gary Payton/Derek Fisher that very same summer.
The point is that making a PG your franchise player and building around them is a losing proposition backed up by decades worth of history. Instead of using a time machine to travel backwards and placing a better player than Parker in his place, build a title team around a PG that would win a title.
I think the key issue is being overlooked. It's not about the position of PG, it's about 6'nothin nikkas aka the majority of them. If you best player is only 6'0 that puts limitations on what you are able to do offensively and defensively. Then add to that you have more and more taller players who are able to give you what traditional PGs are known to provide. I'm really not sure what the argument to the contrary is.
Yes we can talk about the top PGs not having championship casts but the rebuttal to that is what exactly does it takes to put a championship cast around a PG? If you replace Lebron with CP3 or Westbrook or Rose
I remember during the 2009 playoffs the nuggets put Dahntay Jones on Paul straight up and pretty much nuetralized him.
In the WCF they tried that bullshyt the first game with Kobe
And he just either posted him up and scored shot over him or demanded double teams which opened up the game for ariza,Pau, and odom.Size, particularly height MATTERS
You've embarrassed yourself with this thread, breh
Plenty of people agree that PGs aren't worth building around, but hey, you like Trey Burke
