Is it hard for people to consider their favorites being part of the issue?

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Another thread complaining about "indy darlings" right after WWE had their most successful year in 2016? :snooze:

Hey if people are so displeased with the current talent, let's put Johnny Ace back in charge of talent relations since he did such a good job right? :mjlol:

If guys like ko, Finn balor, Seth Rollins etc are the best representation of star power in today's time then this says a lot about where this company is at currently.

None of these dudes are real stars. Just guys with clout from the indy scene. Nobody`s gonna tune in every week off the strength of none of these wrestlers.

You know the standards have been significantly lowered when the wwe had dudes like the rock, Austin, taker, lesnar, batista, mankind, etc

People would tune in to a wwe show to mainly see what Austin gonna do or what the rock gonna say next.

That's real star power. Real stars command attention.

If these Indie guys are such a problem, why was viewership around 4 million when CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Shield, Owens were getting pushed?

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Hey if people are so displeased with the current talent, let's put Johnny Ace back in charge of talent relations since he did such a good job right? :mjlol:



If these Indie guys are such a problem, why was viewership around 4 million when CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Shield, Owens were getting pushed?

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You forgot about guys like the rock, lesnar, ,taker, etc periodically making more appearances as well as cena being there more often & orton being red hot, but it's whatever.:mjlol:

A lot of the same people you posted are still getting pushed. Only difference is that there's more Indy talent carrying these shows than ever before.

Real stars will garner attention. :yeshrug:
 

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You forgot about guys like the rock, lesnar, ,taker, etc periodically making more appearances as well as cena being there more often & orton being red hot, but it's whatever.:mjlol:

A lot of the same people you posted are still getting pushed. Only difference is that there's more Indy talent carrying these shows than ever before.

Real stars will garner attention. :yeshrug:

I left them off because they're still getting pushed, Cena was WWE Champion this year, Orton was WWE Champion this year, Goldberg was Universal Champion this year, Brock Lesnar is the Universal Champion, Undertaker potentially had his final feud this year. But I don't see them getting the blame for not showing up every week or every other week, advantage of being a part timer I guess, get all the praise and none of the blame :manny:
 
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They been falling forever,

When Reigns was champ. When Brock's been champ. When Sheamus was champ. When Orton was champ.

WWE is declining in popularity overall. But there is some credence to the fact that guys like Owens, Rollins, Bray, Balor haven't made any impact when it comes to increasing the popularity of the brand
 

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Former NXT Star Posts Long Letter On How To Save WWE – Wrestlezone

Former NXT star Marcus Louis, who was also know as Baron Dax for a short time in Impact Wrestling, has recently started to passionately watch wrestling again. He has been very vocal of what the good and bad elements of the current product are.

In a recent Facebook post, he penned a long, expressive letter of how the WWE can recover from historically low ratings as of late.

You can read the full letter below.

“In my quest for wrestling inspiration, I watched Raw which I hadn’t in well over a year.
I think WWE really needs to stop recruiting wrestlers until they have solved their screenwriting issues.
I know a lot of these guys on a personal level, I’ve seen them in the ring, I’ve seen them do interviews, I know their personalities and most importantly I understand their characters. There is so much that could be done. I have no doubt that there’s a detrimental level of laziness going on. Let me explain something that WWE has failed to understand:

Pro Wrestling is not MMA and Pro Wrestling is not acting either. You cannot hand your guys scripts and have them act your play for the very simple reason that they’re not actors, they will fail at that exercise.
Their job isn’t to fight either, you can’t just have them wrestle and hope for the best, you cannot hope to recreate nor capture sports excitement/intensity, this is not what you’re dealing with, the wrestlers will fail at doing that too.

Get to know your performers on a personal level, listen to them, observe them, know their strengths and their weaknesses, study them. You should know everything about a Kalisto, a Gable or a Crews before you start putting pen to paper. It’s crucial you do so.

Once you know your guys, start writing WITH them. Don’t wait until Monday evening 6pm to tell them about your vision and hand them a script. It takes weeks of preparation for a trained and experienced actor to pull a role off. A pro wrestler cannot remotely come close to succeed at such task. Start brainstorming weeks, even months ahead, go on the road with your wrestlers, travel with them, spend time with them, that way they’ll have time to absorb the ideas and create a custom made role.

Same with the promos and interviews. Listen to how these guys and girls talk, listen to their voice, understand their vocabulary or literacy levels. You should know this inside out before you write anything for them. If not you’ll have these horribly painful microphone segments we’re enduring with guys reciting lines they’ve learned an hour ago trying to be someone they have absolutely nothing in common with, especially when it comes to “voice”.

It’s hard work, yes, 100% but what do you want out of it? Do you want to write a mediocre show poorly acted? or do you want to write a compelling, entertaining show that feels organic and real?

Quit the office vs boys nonsense too, Vince or HHH needs to see WWE creative more like a newspaper team. Be the editor in chief so to speak, lay out the general idea but assign a multi week/months storyline to a writer and send them on the road with the 2 or 4 wrestlers they’ll be writing for, give them the freedom to write something good and trust this group to come up with something good and organic. Then you report back weeks before the deadline so the story is well explained, well understood and fits into the bigger picture. That way it leaves enough time to re write if absolutely necessary. But then again, the decision makers need to start trusting their writers and talent as well as being prepared to put that kind of work in. Teamwork I guess.

It takes long term planning and management but once again, do you want a good show?

Last but not least, you’d alleviate a lot of frustration and passive aggressiveness from your performers. They’ll be more involved, more motivated, they’ll be doing the things they love and bring a level of passion WWE is yet to see on screen.

WWE needs to rethink what they do. They’re missing out on what this show could be."
 

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I agree with stro's stance. I didn't want to go into the variables and nuances of 2017 television ratings and 2017 wrestling ratings, but he laid it out nicely. I also agree that pro wrestling peaked and plateaued a long time ago. It's a very particular niche that over performed and was more successful than anyone could ever imagine. It also still isn't respected and is easily mocked by people who watch the lamest of reality tv.

The topic at hand goes with taking everything into account and looking at where they are after the dust settled. I believe the ratings have dropped to a lower plateau...a new normal if you will. Taking into account those Nielsen diehards regardless of age who are left.

This isn't a bashing indy darlings thing. Far from it. I don't have that stance nor do I do the whole vanilla midget shtick. It's honestly asking if the people who are left are feeling these dudes or not. There just happens to be more indy dudes in the company and in more prominent positions than ever before. Again, correlation is not causation.

Also again, we know the shows suck. We know the booking sucks. This isn't news. The lack of actual characters is a company wide issue that only gets brought up with few and not the many. Interesting characters and hooks are necessary.

I don't care how well written a show/movie/game is if I'm not feeling the characters and there are no other worthwhile hooks. I will be more willing to give a poorly written show/movie/game a chance if I find the characters or some other hook it has to be intriguing to me. Of course it isn't just one extreme or the other.

I liked the US version of Shameless or at least enough to watch several seasons. But I stopped watching after realizing that I didn't like or care about any of the characters. I'm a horror fan and as a horror fan you quickly learn that most of the genre is either mediocre or it sucks. You hope that killer or those kills or the women will make it worth the time you inevitably wasted.

Wrestling is no different and 2017 mainstream pro wrestling has a bunch of bland people who fight other bland people every week in matches that are too long. And the payoff is rarely if ever worth it. Says a lot when The Maharaja rising is legit one of the hottest and most interesting things going on the main roster.

And I mean if you want to bring up their back to back most successful years for revenue, Roman was on top for both and he isn't an indy guy. He also headlined the Wrestlemania with the most attendance of them all. They also didn't pop 1 million subscribers until he won that rumble amidst all the emotional responses...

Is he solely responsible for the above? Highly doubtful. But if his mere presence can be blamed for declining ratings, than it can also be pointed to when revenue is ascending.

Hope this is remotely coherent. I'm trying to type this on my phone at work.
 

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Hey if people are so displeased with the current talent, let's put Johnny Ace back in charge of talent relations since he did such a good job right? :mjlol:



If these Indie guys are such a problem, why was viewership around 4 million when CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Shield, Owens were getting pushed?

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The storylines and writing are terrible.

I can admit that quite a few of the performers are talented workers but very few are larger than life characters.
 

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View media item 12443This is bs.

As many times that I've seen some people say smackdown is better cuz of 2hr instead of 3hrs & better writing.:mjlol:

Y'all make excuses when it's convenient. Way too many.:dame:

The fact is that Raw garner more interest than smackdown which is the reason why it does lower ratings.

Y'all biasness won't allow y'all to admit it tho.:yeshrug:
What bias? I haven't watched WWE at all since before wrestlemania :bryan:

What does people thinking SD is a better show to do with the fact that SD has been seen as inferior by fans and the company for years? I really don't care about this dumb SD vs Raw shyt yall be on because I think they're both subpar :hubie:

Raw doing better ratings than SD has nothing to do with the quality of the show. Raw will always be the bigger show like it always has been. It's like expecting battleground to do wrestlemania numbers, the shows just ain't on the same level perception wise.
 

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What bias? I haven't watched WWE at all since before wrestlemania :bryan:

What does people thinking SD is a better show to do with the fact that SD has been seen as inferior by fans and the company for years? I really don't care about this dumb SD vs Raw shyt yall be on because I think they're both subpar :hubie:

Raw doing better ratings than SD has nothing to do with the quality of the show. Raw will always be the bigger show like it always has been. It's like expecting battleground to do wrestlemania numbers, the shows just ain't on the same level perception wise.
Exactly, ain't no bias this shyt just suck as a whole lmao
 

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When he finally shows up on Raw the audience drops below 3 million before the Finals game even starts.:mjlol:

That moment when the trolls want to blame the full timers for the ratings yet Brock Lesnar has been champ for 2 months and will be champ for the next 10.
 
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