Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

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JasoRockStar said:
The older I get the more I realize that liberal politics and the Democratic Party in its current form will never lead to genuine progress for black people or the working class in this country at large.

Going further left is the only way forward.
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We need to drop the lgbt, immigration, women's rights issues and focus on the economy. Latinos clearly don't care about immigration, women aren't reliable voters, and lgbt folk are selfish and only care about their battle, Blacks are the only ones who supported Kamala en mass.

Catering to the liberal radicals have split the party...

And please, no more women candidates!!!
 
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I’m 100% sure there’s a clinical term for that nonsense you just typed. ‘Cmon get up why do you keep letting this guy beat you’ head ass.

I’ve spoken on these 2 things before

1- Republicans benefit from Dems’ target demographics being overwhelmingly apolitical by nature. It’s a big ass trick bag. The classic arms crossed stance ‘i think govt is bullshyt but go ahead and give me your pitch and I’ll think about it’. Yea fukk you

2- Dems are also unfairly tasked with being humane and just in a society that is no longer humane and just. Think of it this way: The US for YEARS has tried to force democracy in third world countries. It doesn’t work bc the culture doesn’t reflect those principles. Well, we have officially gotten to that point. If we can’t agree that killing is bad and yea you shouldnt blow a guys brains out for vigilantism, then a party interested in justice and liberty and kumbaya is probably not gona work. If Dems won’t win in 2028 after Trump’s fukkery, we may never win again. Bc society is going even more wayward.
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This is perhaps one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on this site, and people accuse me of being white and using right wing talking points! People who espouse take's like these clearly know nothing of US history. The US is unequivocally the largest exporter of terrorism the world has ever seen, the list of countries where they've overthrown democratically elected governments in order to continue exploiting and looting the global south:

Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Angola, Burkina Faso, Chad, Congo (DRC), Ghana, Libya, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea (North & South), Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Pakistan, Philippines, South Vietnam, Thailand

And this isnt even all of them. The US is the biggest threat to democracy the world has ever seen! They are sponsoring the largest ethnic cleansing campaign in the world as we speak! There are so many books that talk about this I can't even name them all:

Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II – William Blum
Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower – William Blum
A People's History of the United States – Howard Zinn
The Jakarta Method: Washington’s Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program That Shaped Our World – Vincent Bevins
Confessions of an Economic Hitman – John Perkins
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq – Stephen Kinzer
The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government – David Talbot
The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World – Douglas Valentine
Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA – Tim Weiner
War is a Racket – Major General Smedley Butler
Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky

And the misleading talking point about dems being humane was addressed by Malcolm X in his allegory of the wolf and the fox in over 60 years ago.

"In America, you have two kinds of white people. You have the white conservative, who is like a wolf. And then you have the white liberal, who is like a fox."

"Now, the wolf is straightforward. When he sees you, he shows you his teeth, and you know exactly where he stands. He does not hide his hatred. He’s the kind that will lynch you, oppress you, and tell you straight to your face that he is against you."

"The fox, on the other hand, is a tricky, sly creature. The fox smiles at you, pretends to be your friend, and acts like he’s on your side. But he has the same goal as the wolf—to eat you. The only difference is that the fox will pretend to be your ally while working against you behind your back."

"The wolf is more honest than the fox because at least he doesn’t pretend to be something he’s not. The fox will come to you with a kind voice, speaking soft words, making you believe that he is your friend, but in reality, he is just setting you up for the slaughter."

"In this country, the white conservative (the wolf) is openly against Black people. But the white liberal (the fox) claims to be a friend, yet he is just as dangerous, if not more. The liberal will invite you into his house, sit at his table, shake your hand, and tell you that he wants to help you. But behind closed doors, he will pass laws, make deals, and do whatever it takes to keep you oppressed while making it look like he’s on your side."

"The wolf and the fox are both in the same forest. They both want to eat the lamb. The only difference is one shows his teeth, while the other hides them."

"Black people in America have been tricked by both the fox and the wolf. We have been deceived into thinking that one is better than the other when, in truth, neither one means us any good. It is time to stop looking to either one for salvation and start taking control of our own destiny."
- Malcolm X
 
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Drip Bayless said:
All over this board and in real life I'm constantly inundated by talk of how stupid and racist American voters are, "they voted for this", "
... "they get what they deserve," yadda yadda. As if the outcomes of our elections are purely the result of rational, independent choices made by an informed populace. The irony is this is the exact kind of take that highlights just how ignorant Americans are, that people actually believe for a second that we have free elections. Americans are ignorant for sure, they're ignorant of the massive structural forces that shape voting behavior: corporate media propaganda, billionaire-funded disinformation, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the corporate backed duopoly system that all work together to make us think we have the illusion of choice.

Only the ignorant would assume voters have a magical love of billionaires or are all inherently too stupid to vote in their best interest. Because Americans have been systematically conditioned to accept a false reality, where class solidarity is buried under culture wars, and the most powerful forces in the world work overtime to convince them that their enemies are immigrants, minorities, and homosexuals instead corporations and the 1% hoarding their wealth. Every election cycle, the ruling class spends trillions to control the narrative and manufacture consent for policies that serve the elite.

Yet, when things go south, the blame never ever falls on the corporate donors, the politicians who sabotage progress, or the billionaire-owned media networks that push propaganda 24/7. Instead, it’s always, “the voters are just too stupid.” The real danger in this analysis isn't the laziness, but the fact that it’s exactly what the ruling class wants people to believe. If you convince people that change is impossible because "the masses are just too dumb," then you remove any accountability from the actual forces rigging the system and ensure that nothing ever changes. If Democrats geniuinely believe that a significant portion of this country is too racist or too ignorant to vote for a Black woman, then isn’t it an even bigger strategic failure that they didn’t account for that reality in their strategy? Either you believe in the voters’ ability to make rational choices and win them over, or you acknowledge their shortcomings and adjust your strategy accordingly. If the electorate is flawed, it’s not enough to just complain about it. A competent political party adjusts to reality and finds ways to win anyway. They don’t actually want to challenge the system in a way that would meaningfully redistribute power or wealth, because they are embedded in that system. That’s why they embrace symbolic progressivism like black faces in high places and identity politics, while refusing to push real economic populism or structural change.

Do American voters fall for racist, reactionary rhetoric? Absolutely. Do American voters vote based on culture war bullshyt rather than policy? Of course. But writing off the electorate as irredeemable ignores the fact that the vast majority of progressive policies are actually popular when they're not attached to individuals or parties. The problem isn’t that Americans are inherently stupid or racist, it’s that the Dems are an integral part of the ruling class itself, and they will crush any populist resistance before it can threaten elite control.

No the voters didn’t just choose this in some vacuum of perfect rationality. If you’re mad at the outcomes of our elections, don’t just blame the voters, blame the oligarchs who buy our politicians, the media that launders their narratives, and the politicians who sell out their own base for corporate money. Anything else is just playing into their hands.
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Why is it so hard for white people to take accountability? Trump got elected twice because they are racist. There isn't really much more to this story.
 
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To have a really progressive party you have to have real money that supports it and also your own propaganda like the news or social media site and I don’t know who with big money would ever support that.

Also you need a plan, you need an agenda that most people agree with and you have to compromise on that agenda, some progressives just want free healthcare but are pure brainwashed neoliberals and some progressives are communists it’s like how do you get them to agree to an agenda?

It’s a fukked up spot we find ourselves in not finna lie :francis: but maybe if this system comes crashing down something new and potentially better can come from it.
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What would a progressive party look like with a successful political environment and outcomes? What does society look like and how different is it from now?
 
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JasoRockStar said:
The older I get the more I realize that liberal politics and the Democratic Party in its current form will never lead to genuine progress for black people or the working class in this country at large.

Going further left is the only way forward.
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This makes zero sense, you cant go further lefleft without having liberal policies....
 
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