Is it hard for people to consider their favorites being part of the issue?

[Here Comes the Pain]

I notice whenever it's time talk about the wwe declining raw is the only brand brought up.

Nakamura not moving unit no matter how bad y'all try to portray him as this superstar. The sh!t don't translate on the main roster.

A lot of these vanilla midgets & generic wrestlers don't make the cut. Guys like Finn balor, sammi zayn, Dolph ziggler, etc

Putting a world title on jobbers like jinder mahul ain't doing nothing either in the grand schemes of things.

Real nikkas tune in when the real stars come out to play. People watch shows to see stars.

Guys like Lesnar & Goldberg are prime examples.

The wwe give these marks what they want & they make excuses for that ex TNA wrestler or that ex roh wrestler or that ex NJPW wrestler who ain't moving units like that.

Maybe there's a reason why their asses was stuck there in the first place while real stars were like cena, Batista, Orton etc were holding it down for the wwe.

 

[R=G]

I still find it funny they had better ratings with the celebrities and Cena, but Daniel Bryan/internet fans pushed to make their voice heard. You wanted WWROH and Vince gave it to you. Now they don't understand why the ratings are sinking.

Above all else WWE is a TV show and right now the characters don't make for good TV.

When Bryan was on top..ratings, attendence, merchandise, and house show numbers went up. The fans chose him on every level. It's not the same with Ambrose, Roman, Seth, Finn, etc.

 

[R=G]

I notice whenever it's time talk about the wwe declining raw is the only brand brought up.

Nakamura not moving unit no matter how bad y'all try to portray him as this superstar. The sh!t don't translate on the main roster.

A lot of these vanilla midgets & generic wrestlers don't make the cut. Guys like Finn balor, sammi zayn, Dolph ziggler, etc

Putting a world title on jobbers like jinder mahul ain't doing nothing either in the grand schemes of things.

Real nikkas tune in when the real stars come out to play. People watch shows to see stars.

Guys like Lesnar & Goldberg are prime examples.

The wwe give these marks what they want & they make excuses for that ex TNA wrestler or that ex roh wrestler or that ex NJPW wrestler who ain't moving units like that.

Maybe there's a reason why their asses was stuck there in the first place while real stars were like cena, Batista, Orton etc were holding it down for the wwe.

Nakamura is not main eventing ppvs..hes not the cause of anything. Lol.

 

[cartierhoe]

I notice whenever it's time talk about the wwe declining raw is the only brand brought up.

Nakamura not moving unit no matter how bad y'all try to portray him as this superstar. The sh!t don't translate on the main roster.

A lot of these vanilla midgets & generic wrestlers don't make the cut. Guys like Finn balor, sammi zayn, Dolph ziggler, etc

Putting a world title on jobbers like jinder mahul ain't doing nothing either in the grand schemes of things.

Real nikkas tune in when the real stars come out to play. People watch shows to see stars.

Guys like Lesnar & Goldberg are prime examples.

The wwe give these marks what they want & they make excuses foe that ex TNA wrestler or that ex roh wrestler or that ex NJPW wrestler who ain't moving units like that.

Maybe there's a reason why their asses was stuck there in the first place while real stars were like cena, Batista, Orton etc were holding it down for the wwe.

The thing is breh the whole product sucks in general. Raw is brought up because no matter how much guys play around with this brand loyalty shyt it still is the flagship, so no excuses

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

The thing is breh the whole product sucks in general. Raw is brought up because no matter how much guys play around with this brand loyalty shyt it still is the flagship, so no excuses

Nikkas only use this flagship stuff when it's convenient.

Raw is only the flagship show when it's time to bash something.

Whenever ratings come up raw is only one that get sh!tted on even though smackdown brings in worse ratings on a consistent basis.

People make all kinds of excuses.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Nakamura is not main eventing ppvs..hes not the cause of anything. Lol.

Would you prefer it to be Aj styles????

 

[cartierhoe]

Nikkas only use this flagship stuff when it's convenient.

Raw is only the flagship show when it's to to bash something.

Whenever ratings come up raw is only one the get sh!tted even though smackdown brings in worse ratings on a consistent basis.

People make all kinds of excuses.

I just said the product in general is shyt, breh

I'm not tryna bash one and big up the other both shows are ass

 

[R=G]

Would you prefer it to be Aj styles????

We've seen the huge fan support for AJ across the board.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

We've seen the huge fan support for AJ across the board.

Them smackdown ratings are saying otherwise tho

 

[R=G]

Them smackdown ratings are saying otherwise tho

Those Lesnar ratings are definitely what's cracking though

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Those Lesnar ratings are definitely what's cracking though

Lesnar is a legit star who has proven his star power time & time again.

 

[R=G]

Lesnar is a legit star who has proven his star power time & time again.

In the UFC...he hasn't meant much in like 3 years now.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

In the UFC...he hasn't meant much in like 3 years now.

He been a star going back to the smackdown six era at the least.

Every time he shows up ratings spike upward. He's a guy that can be used to hype a wrestlemania or a house show in Madison square garden.

 

[Champagne Kudo]

Nikkas only use this flagship stuff when it's convenient.

Raw is only the flagship show when it's time to bash something.

Whenever ratings come up raw is only one that get sh!tted on even though smackdown brings in worse ratings on a consistent basis.

People make all kinds of excuses.

Of course SD does lower ratings. You don't honestly think the shows are on the same level as far as perception goes do you? SD was a glorified raw rerun for years. And had been seen as B show since it's inception. That all can't be undone in a year especially in current wwe.

 

[stro]

I still find it funny they had better ratings with the celebrities and Cena, but Daniel Bryan/internet fans pushed to make their voice heard. You wanted WWROH and Vince gave it to you. Now they don't understand why the ratings are sinking.

Above all else WWE is a TV show and right now the characters don't make for good TV.

Ratings have been on a steady decline since 2001. It's kind of hard to blame it on something that happened in 2013 when the ratings were falling even when Austin and Rock were still around, and when all the other biggest stars in history were around, too. Wrestling peaked in 2001 and it's been a downhill slide ever since, which WWE finally started to realize in 2005 and have gone to great lengths to diversify where their revenue comes from instead of relying on ratings. Since WM 17, the television landscape has changed dramatically. Really the only thing still getting bigger and bigger ratings are live sports. The people who talk about USA not giving them the big contracts again...you think USA hasn't been aware of the past 15 years of declining ratings for WWE, and the past 4-5 of television in general? Do you think they're getting duped by WWE and that's the reason they keep giving WWE bigger and bigger contracts? They aren't. They're aware of the trends, WWE is the main reason USA is still a top 5 cable network, and Raw and SD are still often the highest rated cable shows on their night.

It really doesn't matter what WWE does, ratings are probably going to continue to fall until they bottom out in the next few years. What's funny is before 1995, no one really gave a shyt about TV ratings, as WCW almost always had higher ratings for their weekend and syndicated shows than the WWF, but WWF had much better PPVs and houses, which was what was important before the Monday Night Wars. The WWF did WM 3 and 6 on cable ratings that would be disastrous today. Before you mention SNME, I'm talking specifically cable, not network.

Now, is it possible that the current crop are the problem? Part of it, sure. Remember that the current TV audience is much older than the people talking about wrestling online and going to shows/buying merch. The median age for a Raw view is like 50, which would line up with them being Attitude Era fans who are still watching. How many 50 year olds want to see Seth Freakin' Rollins? The live audiences aren't full of middle aged people, they're still kids, their parents, and teens/early to mid 20 year olds.

Meanwhile, how many 20-25 year olds do you know who are sitting at home on a Monday to watch anything on TV? You DVR that shyt, or wait for Hulu, or Youtube, whatever. Television ratings aren't exactly indicative of their current predicament, which has been focusing on global saturation and moving into new territories to get new fans because they reached peak saturation in the US coming up on 20 years ago.