Is “Cade Ball” the real problem with the Pistons?

[Michael's Black Son]

This is the curse of Gelo

They played with this dude and didn’t use him for a damn thing and now look at these busters. Hope they lose 20 more games and get the 4th pick in the lottery.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

I think this is a huge issue too. They have like 9 or 10 guys on their roster who were lotto picks:

Cade
Ivey
Burks
Wiseman
Thompson
Duren
Knox
Hayes
Bagley

I think Weaver is trying to figure out a gameplan where he takes on these reclamation projects and turns them into usable parts but it's just not working

He’s been doing it his entire tenure

RJ Hampton, Dennis Smith Jr, Jahlil Okafer, Nerlans Noel, James Wiseman, Josh Jackson, Kevin Knox, Trey Lyles, Delon Wright, Marvin Bagley, James Wiseman

If you were a former first round pick, preferably a lotto bust? Troy Weaver gave you a roster spot. Instead of looking for actual unearthed talent in the g league or guys on low cost end of the bench spots on other teams, he just looked at his predraft profiles of guys who had been in the league for 3+ years already and heading for the international market and gave them spots on this team.

 

[The D-List Vet]

OP mad that his boy toy Jalen Green is being exposed in Houston. Benched that nikka and Sengun took his spot, that’s Senguns team now.

Sengun gets benched to

 

[WMG the 2nd]

This is the curse of Gelo

They played with this dude and didn’t use him for a damn thing and now look at these busters. Hope they lose 20 more games and get the 4th pick in the lottery.

Who the fukk is gelo

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Who the fukk is gelo

The middle Ball brother, he was on the Pistons in SL no?

 

[dh86]

Brings cats from the G-League instead of vets out of league who are for a reason. If those dudes were good and could contribute, then they’d be on a roster now.

Wall is washed and all bringing him in will do is enable even more bad habits and poor shooting.

We don’t have a PG on the roster, we’re losing these games on instincts and IQ just as much as poor shooting

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

We don’t have a PG on the roster, we’re losing these games on instincts and IQ just as much as poor shooting

And you think Wall is the answer to that?

If that’s the case, you should call Washington and inquire about the services of Tyus Jones, which likely won’t cost you much in the case of picks.

 

[dh86]

Tanking wasn’t the issue; not committing to the talent you actually have was. They kept trying to find diamonds in the rough and reclaiming players who the league has written the book on already
Wiseman and Bagley alone is 25 million dollars that could have either went to keeping Saddiq Bey (who isn’t all that but he fits as a shooter) or to some combination of wings.

Troy Weaver has filled our team with Guards and Bigs. Our only wings are Bojan who is 35 and Ausar who can’t shoot for shyt.

Oubre
DFS
Bridges

Its wings that have been available that they just kicked the can down the road on.

We have like 50 million dollars tied to Joe Harris, Monte Morris, James Wiseman, and Marvin Bagley. Add Killian’s 10 million. Add Burks 10 million. That’s over half of our cap space on players who don’t fit or have played like bare naked ass this year or previous.

Not to mention Monty Williams and his need for all bench lineups.

Tanking played a part of that though. Look at when we took on Burks/Noel eating up our cap space and delivering Brunson to the Knicks. We had the money to go get Brunson for ourselves. I read all kinds of bullshyt from our terrible beat reporters about our “timeline” and tank for Wemby.

 

[dh86]

And you think Wall is the answer to that?

If that’s the case, you should call Washington and inquire about the services of Tyus Jones, which likely won’t cost you much in the case of picks.

Wall was one of multiple players that they can look at. If Derrick Rose is capable of good games in spurts in Memphis, it’s possible.

 

[dh86]

And you think Wall is the answer to that?

If that’s the case, you should call Washington and inquire about the services of Tyus Jones, which likely won’t cost you much in the case of picks.

I’m for Tyus jones too and I’m very open to taking on Kuzma contract. We won’t have to worry about his willingness to want to play in Detroit and help pull the Pistons up.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Tanking played a part of that though. Look at when we took on Burks/Noel eating up our cap space and delivering Brunson to the Knicks. We had the money to go get Brunson for ourselves. I read all kinds of bullshyt from our terrible beat reporters about our “timeline” and tank for Wemby.

My thing is, I didn’t mind tanking last year. Cade getting surgery gave them a pass. This year? The whole “evaluate what we have” on a 17 win team with a goofy new coach was them being scared to commit. Even moderately talented nba players would look great rn next to Cade Duren and even Ivey/Ausar. Max Strus left Miami for the Cavs, Oubre signed dirt cheap from Charlotte to Philly, Rui Hachimura went for dirt cheap at the deadline last year to the lakers.


Weaver is a moron and the entire organization is stupid. I get being gun shy after the Blake griffin situation but that was four years ago.

 

[Marc Spector]

The Pistons are the poster child for why the NBA struggles to build itself as a brand. To clarify, the Pistons have on paper done everything right by drafting guys who were supposed to be studs, and only one or two of them have hit. IMO the problem is that theres a huge delta between modern basketball and winning basketball. Too many young NBA players come into the league without any fundamental bball knowledge.

These guys have been ahead of their peers for almost two decades that they never had to learn a lot of foundational skill. And they're all so ball dominant that they need 15+ shots to get into a rhythm.

Why all of this matters is that NBA teams now cant take the NFL approach of "invest in the future" (tho this isnt working out for the NFL of late) . If your team is bad, they are going to be bad for a decade as the perfect mix of youth and vets, solid coaching, and a transcendent star who is malleable, just isnt a easy recipe to come by. A league isnt fun to watch if nearly half the league is struggle bussing to relevancy. Though I will say, theres a gigantic difference between a bad team in the West vs. the East. The West only has maybe 3 legitimately bad NBA teams rn.

 

[Reggie]

I watched a bunch of Ivey, he's an NBA player but he's absolutely NOT a PG which is what the Pistons desperately need. He's got Russel Westbrook syndrome in that he only knows one speed with the ball in his hands and he's not looking to distribute the ball, he's looking for his shot.

The Pistons are bad because they have no PG, they can't shoot 3s, they can't defend 3s, they don't play team defense, they turn the ball over too much. The GM has built a team that has no chance to win consistently in 2024-era NBA.

Well he should be the two which is what he was drafted to be I thought with Cade there. Still feels entirely to early for them to give up on him though.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Well he should be the two which is what he was drafted to be I thought with Cade there. Still feels entirely to early for them to give up on him though.

PG is an instinct thing, you either have it or you don't. Ivey didn't operate as a PG really at Purdue either. I was big on giving Ivey and Cade time together to see if it works but it's not going to. They should definitely try to trade for Tyus Jones or TJ McConnell.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

PG is an instinct thing, you either have it or you don't. Ivey didn't operate as a PG really at Purdue either. I was big on giving Ivey and Cade time together to see if it works but it's not going to. They should definitely try to trade for Tyus Jones or TJ McConnell.

Fun fact; Cade and Ivey have started less games together this year than they did last year and Cade only played 12 games. This teams obsession with Killian Hayes is a big factor along with Cade getting surgery a year ago.

They have had inconsistency lineup wise and I don’t think it’s enough sample and time to say they can’t play together.