Imagine 6’9 280 lebron vs this competition.....

[#1 pick]

what part of "Lebron doesnt close games out and is a nervous, passive bytch" havent you nikkas understood

he chose the lesser of two evils because he cant shoot
if he tried to take it to JJ and fukked up that would be immortalized
so he didnt try anything which was the lesser of the two evils

he doesnt believe in himself enough to even realize his fans would alter whatever convo to downplay his bullshyt anyways

hitting that WILT, HARDEN, Etc category where stats arent equating to wins
winning is the only thing that matters in life ... I'm not arguing with no nikkas

This isn't true. The data says so. LBJ has the best playoff clutch of all performers including Jordan.

I can't lie, I used to be a LeBron hater in like 2009. I would say he has limited skill for a superstar. Soft for his size. Not clutch. Weak minded. bytchmade, not Kobe, etc.

In the next 12 years, he proved me wrong in every area to the point I had to stop and tell myself that we need to appreciate his greatness. I get it tho, it seems you are still holding things that he did early in his career against him. I'm not. He proved otherwise.

 

[Cadillac]

No matter how many times Bron fans try to bring down Jordan, your not convincing anybody that Lebron better or on the level of Jordan.

I mean forgodsakes, Luka and Zion two of the most notable players that will be the future of the NBA see Jordan as the GOAT not Bron.

 

[Remote]

So people got mad and their only counter is bbbbbbut what about that Mavs series?

Stay on point.
That video was pathetic.

And still the deflection continues.

 

[Scholar]

"Driving through four whites guys for an easy layup"

 

[#1 pick]

I watch these damn full games from 1985 and shyt

It literally blows my mind that mfs think this product is better than what we have today

That these players are more skillful than today

I watched so many games from the 70's and 80's in full. shyt, I own an entire collection of MJ games in the 90's in full. Some are now on YT. nikkas really gotta stop talking crazy. The game is just in a MUCH better place which is in thanks to Michael Jeffery Jordan. He played a CRITICAL role in that, more than anyone else I must add but yeah, this idea that he's the best player ever is hilarious if you really watch the tape. I like when nikkas just say, MJ impacted the sport and sports more than anyone else like Ali to a degree, that's why he's their GOAT. That's at least justifiable. But it's impossible to justify it using tape. Not possible whatsoever. You just be Skip Baylessing arguing moments and pointless shyt for soundbites and emotion jargon that makes no sense at all. Like saying Bradley Beal would average 17-19ppg in the 80's and 90's. shyt like this is why old nikkas and MJ stans have zero Basketball intellect and no respect from me.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Imagine MJ being guarded like Lebron was vs the spurs in the finals. Why don't they pull up that footage.

The difference is MJ is confident in his jumper

This turnover here is caused because they don't respect Wade's jump shot so they're building a wall around lebron in the paint but at the same time if you give Michael this much room he's nailing that mid range jumphot. Lebron in 2020 has confidence in his jumper....but for the first 10-12 years of his career, his confidence came and went. Fortunately in game 7 he found it and Pops decision to let him shoot it back fired.

 

[Rell84shots]

Bron stans taking another L

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Bernard King never destroyed the Celtics that year . He never even played against them. Bernard King was also one of the greatest scorers in NBA history prior to his terrible injury. Bernard King also destroyed many teams he faced , including the Pistons and others with black players in their lineup.

Imagine thinking someone is terrible defensively because he's white when your King got held up by a white midget called JJ Barea and had only 8 POINTS in an NBA FINALS game!

@ISO hate it had to be you breh

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Bill Russell has 11 titles in 13 years
is he the GOAT then

in an 8 team league?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That nikka did throw that series
I remember being so pissed I was screaming at the TV on how JJ Barera and Kidd was locking him up


To this day I refuse to believe that those two guys can hold Bron to 2 pts in every 4th quarter

The guy mailed it in because Wade was going to be FMVP

At that point in his career, Lebron got way too much heat for joining Wade n Bosh in Miami so much that he was "Robin" all year to Wade's "Batman". The last thing Lebron needed was for Wade to take them home that 1st year together, before Lebron could prove he can lead a team to a ring. Not far fetched at all to say he threw it.

Some of the shyt y'all say so stupid you should be banned. LeBron was in year 8 and had ZERO titles, it was the biggest stain on his record, there's no guarantee he was ever going to win one, it was the greatest criticism everyone had for him.....and you think he would throw away that title just because his best friend "might" win Finals MVP? How stupid is that theory?

I mean nearly 10 years and 3 Finals MVPs later you STILL can't talk about LBJ without focusing on that series, yet you think he would have taken more heat for not winning Finals MVP, even though plenty other GOATs (Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan) had other players win Finals MVPs over them?

Not to mention how you explain that LeBron already knew who was going to win Finals MVP by Game 3?

And that there are still people here stupid enough to claim that Kidd and Barea were the two players locking up LeBron...who da fukk do you think Shawn Marion was guarding the 36 minutes/game he played that series? Or Deshawn Stevenson for the 17 minutes/game in was in? Kidd only covered LeBron for spot duty as a change-of-pace player (and people forget that Kidd was 6'6" and still a good defender) and Barea guarded LeBron for literally 2 plays, one of which was a straight flop.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

You nikkas can't really sit there and act like LeBron wouldn't be literally neck-and-neck, if not better than Jordan if you dropped them in at the same time.

The only thing that has been able to slow even a young LeBron down is a zone defense that is supported by multiple great defenders.

You drop him in the 80's and 90's where you couldn't play a zone and....

I'm just gonna stop talking because Jordan stans don't deal in logic.

Edit: MULTIPLE nikkas already proved my point by posting the Dallas series. They ran a zone and neutralized him completely. What if they didn't run it? Well, Miami wins in 6.

if you gotta come up with all kinds of different scenarios, what-ifs, and parallel universes and shyt for one guy and the other guy's case is literally THEE standard for excellence maybe it's YOU who are lacking in the logic department friend

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yet had the same amount of rings as Lebron and played less seasons

Because he wasn't stuck on a horrible squad like Cleveland for his first 7 years. Celtics were stacked from the moment Bird arrived, so stacked that his 1981 squad has four HOFers of which 3 were playing at All-Star level, and it was still a 5th guy (Cedric Maxwell) who pulled Finals MVP. Bird was worse than '11 LeBron in the '81 Finals, averaged 15ppg on 42% shooting, had three straight games in the middle of the Finals where he scored just 8 points, 8 points, and 12 points, and yet still got the title cause his team was so stacked and they were playing an ugly 40-42 squad.

1984 and 1986 Bird won with two of the most stacked squads ever (four HOFers in the prime with Bird, McHale, Parish, and DJ, plus strong supporting cast and coaching too), and still only won because Magic choked in 1984 and the Rockets were a mediocre team in 1986.

Not one team LeBron ever faced in the Finals in 9 tries was as bad as the 1981 or 1986 Rockets, or choked as hard as the 1984 Lakers. That's how Bird won his titles. Every other year when it came to the elimination game he choked in the big moment, but he gets a pass cause he's white and talks a lot of trash, so the media and league protected him.

 

[jwinfield]

This documentary really got people in their feelings

What's going to happen if Silver cancels the season and Bron has to wait another year to fight for a title

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Avoid talking about a flabby jordan hitting all net on a prime Shawn Marion because lebron averaged less points than a 33 year old bench player in the nba finals

If I stanned a player that got outscored by a 33 year old Jason terry coming off the bench in the nba finals I’d avoid talking about it too

Terry also did it in less minutes too

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The difference is MJ is confident in his jumper

This turnover here is caused because they don't respect Wade's jump shot so they're building a wall around lebron in the paint but at the same time if you give Michael this much room he's nailing that mid range jumphot. Lebron in 2020 has confidence in his jumper....but for the first 10-12 years of his career, his confidence came and went. Fortunately in game 7 he found it and Pops decision to let him shoot it back fired.

These guys also forget that MJ didn't have a consistent jumper his first 7-8 years in the league either. In college once he became the man his soph/junior years, teams used to hem him up with the zone. People remember the game-winner he hit his freshman year (when he was the 3rd option behind Worthy and Perkins), but they forget that he was upset 4 straight times way early in the ACC/NCAA tournaments the next two years, even with a stacked team full of future NBA players, cause teams used the zone to keep him from getting inside and he couldn't beat them with the jumper.

“There were only two things I thought we could do with Jordan: take away the backcut and keep him off the backboard,” said Knight. “Dakich was about 6-foot-5, not very quick but a tough kid. I thought he was the best we had to do both of those things.

“We knew Dakich wasn’t going to be able to overplay Michael and keep him from getting the ball. So we underplayed him- backed him off and pretty much gave him the jump shot, which wasn’t nearly the weapon then that it became for him. He (Jordan) did two things that just killed you-he was great going to the bucket without the ball, and he was a very, very good offensive rebounder. But not that night.

MJ finished the game with just 13 points on 6-14 shooting with 4 turnovers, and #1 seed UNC lost to #4 seed Indiana despite 26 from UNC's Sam Perkins (Kenny Smith, Brad Daugherty, and Matt Doherty were the other starters on that stacked-ass squad). A team full of guys who couldn't even have made UNC's roster upset UNC by defending 21yo Jordan the EXACT way the Spurs in 2007 defended 22yo LeBron.

Why couldn't they do that in the NBA? Jeff Ruland already told you why.

How did he explain the scouting reports, which said he was too slow and questioned his ability to play defense and whether he could make it in the pros?

''This is pro basketball,'' he replied, smiling. ''There are no zone defenses with four guys hanging all over me. I wonder if the pro scouts realized that in the N.B.A. they play man-to-man.''