Imagine 6’9 280 lebron vs this competition.....

[Professor Emeritus]

if you gotta come up with all kinds of different scenarios, what-ifs, and parallel universes and shyt

Breh, the whole thread is literally a what-if scenario.

 

[Swagnificent]

Watch Westbrook and Giannis then imagine Bron with that competitive spirit as good as he is. How many chips we talking?

All 3 guys have a flawed skill set which is their biggest weakness. Even if LeBron was a dog, his lack of one on one moves would still be an issue.

 

[Pimp]

How would you have the greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history, the greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history, and have won your last SIX consecutive Game 7's if you weren't competitive?

2006 1st round: Averages 36-8-6 and hits two game-winners in defeating the Bullets despite not having a single teammate score 13ppg.

2006 ECF: Going up against the same Pistons that beat the Lakers and nearly beat the Spurs, wins three straight games with his #2 out before going down by 2 points in a grindout game and losing in 7.

2007 ECF: Scores 45-5-6 including 29 of the final 30 points to get revenge on the Pistons, driving and dunking with seconds left to send the game into overtime and then hitting a 1-on-4 layup for the game-winner in double overtime.

2008 ECSF: Extremely outmatched against a fantastic Celtics team, scores 35, 32, and 45 in the final three games, only going down late in Game 7 in an epic duel with PP.

2009 ECF: Averaged 39-8-8 against the Magic, hitting a game-winner in Game 2 and nearly hitting back-to-back threes in overtime to win Game 4.

2010 ECSF: Down to the Celtics late in Game 4, LBJ scores 10 of the last 12 including the last 7 to send the game into overtime, then hits the go-ahead basket in overtime. With the score tied and 2 minutes left in Game 5, LBJ scores the final 10 points of the game to put the Celtics away.

2011 ECF: Guards D-Rose in critical moments in the fourth during Game 4 and Game 5, while also hitting huge shots including the go-ahead basket in Game 2, Game 4, AND Game 5.

2012 ECSF: Down 2-1 to the Pacers and with Bosh out and Wade dealing with a bum knee, LeBron goes off for 40-18-9 in Game 4 to even the series and resurrect Miami's season.

2012 ECF: Down 3-2 to the Celtics and with Bosh at 50%, LeBron goes off for 45-15-5 in Boston to pull their hearts out and then takes them out in Game 7.

2013 Finals: Down 3-2 to the Spurs and down 5 with 22 seconds left, LeBron hits the three that starts the rally, then hits the go-ahead shot with 1:43 left in overtime. Follows it with a 37-12-5 performance to win Game 7 despite only two teammates scoring in double figures.

2015 entire playoffs: Despite Love going out and Kyrie missing half the playoffs, has incredibly gritty performances to overcome the 52-win Bulls and 61-win Hawks before pushing the Warriors to 6 while averaging 35-13-9.

2016 Finals: Comes back from 3-1 down against a 73-win team with three of the most incredible back-to-back-to-back performances in Finals history (41-16-7, 41-8-11, and 27-11-11 with "the block" and 9 of the Cavs' last 12 points in Game 7.)

2018 entire playoffs: With a terrible supporting cast and down 6 times (1-0, 2-1, and 3-2 to Pacers and 1-0, 2-0 and 3-2 to Celtics) has nine 40+ games, two game-winners, and two huge gritty Game 7 wins to reach the Finals where he puts up 51 of the heavily favored Warriors before George and J.R. cost them the game.


Most playoff game-winners by any player in NBA history
Most come-from-behind playoff series wins by any player in NBA history
Highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history
Highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history
Most postseason points in NBA history
6-2 in Game 7's including last 6 consecutive wins
Never once had an easy postseason

How could a player who has done all that be called uncompetitive? Just stupid shtt.

 

[murksiderock]

The hate people have for LeBron is because you dudes know he's on MJ's level. Whether you have him ahead of MJ is a different thing, and most people don't have him ahead of Mike, but to claim that Mike and Bron aren't on the same tier of Mt Rushmore is ridiculous. People who aren't Bron stans have acknowledged this for years now...

And the 1,000 threads on here and elsewhere serve as validation enough bringing the Anti's out, you don't go this hard for someone who isn't comparable. Cats really project the '11 Dallas series as if that's been LeBron's entire career...you dudes need a life lol...

 

[Pimp]

The hate people have for LeBron is because you dudes know he's on MJ's level. Whether you have him ahead of MJ is a different thing, and most people don't have him ahead of Mike, but to claim that Mike and Bron aren't on the same tier of Mt Rushmore is ridiculous. People who aren't Bron stans have acknowledged this for years now...

And the 1,000 threads on here and elsewhere serve as validation enough bringing the Anti's out, you don't go this hard for someone who isn't comparable. Cats really project the '11 Dallas series as if that's been LeBron's entire career...you dudes need a life lol...

Kareem 6, Magic 5,Kobe 5, Duncan 5, Bird 3, Curry 3, Lebron got 3 even though he played on super teams since 2010.. He not MJ level..He Lebron level and that's ok. He just doesn't have the kill the other guys have.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

I gave an example of how the zone hemmed him up in college because that's the only time he played against a legal zone. Same way Jeff Ruland said the zone hemmed him up when he went to Europe for a year after college, but he was dominant inside for years in the NBA because there was no zone option.

It's weird that you take a few game-winners as evidence that Jordan had a great jumper by '89, but ignore LeBron pulled up for long jumpers multiple times in his epic comeback against Detroit in '07, or hitting that huge game-winning three against Orlando in Game 2 '09 and having another big one to close later in that series in Game 4. Or at a lower level of pressure, those '10 First Round duels against Derrick Rose where he went 4-8 and 6-9 from three (he was 54% from three for the series) or all the big jump shots he hit against Boston and Chicago in clutch situations in the '11 playoffs. Both MJ and LBJ could hit the jump shot in the first 8-9 years of their career, but neither could rely on it as a consistent, above-average weapon.

MJ's improvement in his jump shot was more gradual than LBJ's, but I wouldn't call him an elite jump shooter outside of 15 feet until somewhere around '91-'93. Something worth watching is that 6-three half in Game 1 of the 1992 Finals, even all the way until the last three the Blazers were leaving MJ open from there. In fact the Blazers said before the series that they would try to make him take jump shots. He wasn't expected to make those shots, he'd only shot 27% from three on the season. The rest of the series MJ was just 6-22 from three-point range.

His midrange developed somewhat before his three did, but it was all part of the process. I would say really really roughly that he didn't become an above-average jump shooter until around 1991-92, and wasn't elite until 1993 or even you could say his second run.

Point taken on the zone. I agree, that if Lebron played under the old illegal defense rules and no zone we'd see high levels of dominance from Lebron.




I just watched this game about 2 weeks ago on NBA TV and I couldn't understand why he was so wide open. The paint was so clogged and it looked like they were playing inside of a telephone booth but it felt like an era thing where unbeknownst to anyone on the floor, Jordan was getting the highest expected value shots on the floor. I looked at it like an era thing but it never dawned on me that they were leaving him that open because he wasn't a great shooter.

 

[murksiderock]

Kareem 6, Magic 5,Kobe 5, Duncan 5, Bird 3, Curry 3, Lebron got 3 even though he played on super teams since 2010.. He not MJ level..He Lebron level and that's ok. He just doesn't have the kill the other guys have.

That's one way to look at it, you're entitled to have your own perspective...

Another way to look at it is of the guys you listed, only Magic (4), Duncan (4), and Bird (3) won at least 3 chips as the #1 go-to option on a team. LeBron is in rare company when it comes to being The Guy on a championship team, and everyone's career is different. Could LeBron not have won 5 championships like Magic and Kobe if he spent a significant portion of his career playing with another Top 10 All-Timer?

So these things all have nuance, I'm not into viewing guys careers like there aren't a myriad of factors that affect circumstance...

You guys do all this "not a killer" talk but literally everything tangible, and everything in black and white, points to LeBron being more of a killer in the clutch than every single player you listed. So you guys go off of an intangible that you claim LeBron doesn't have, but said intangibles aren't supported by the results of the players you claim are more killers than LeBron...

It's funny how yall hang your hats on the handful of bad games or series Bron has had and talk that shyt up and nauseam.....yet all these players you named, without exception, have examples just like this, and more in most cases, and you guys barely waste your breath on it. Gotta service your agenda though, right?

Yall lose all rationality when it comes to Bron, of the guys you listed only Kareem and Magic have a case as being better players front to back. Everyone else is some wish list shyt that comes out when you want to feed a particular narrative about Bron...

 

[Roland Coltrane]

07:Lebron's team was asscheeks
11:lebron fukked up
14:wade declined and played like shyt
15: love and Kyrie were injured
17: went against a team with 4 All Stars
18: played the same team with no Kyrie Irving


He was only supposed to win in 2011. The other teams were too stacked "17, 18", injuries "15" or his team was ass "07 and 18"

the mental gymnastics one must go through to post some shyt like this knowing good and damn well the man who pioneered stacking the deck got out stacked by the team he last played in the Finals


all we see in these threads is excuse after excuse

 

[Roland Coltrane]

That's one way to look at it, you're entitled to have your own perspective...

Another way to look at it is of the guys you listed, only Magic (4), Duncan (4), and Bird (3) won at least 3 chips as the #1 go-to option on a team. LeBron is in rare company when it comes to being The Guy on a championship team, and everyone's career is different. Could LeBron not have won 5 championships like Magic and Kobe if he spent a significant portion of his career playing with another Top 10 All-Timer?

So these things all have nuance, I'm not into viewing guys careers like there aren't a myriad of factors that affect circumstance...

You guys do all this "not a killer" talk but literally everything tangible, and everything in black and white, points to LeBron being more of a killer in the clutch than every single player you listed. So you guys go off of an intangible that you claim LeBron doesn't have, but said intangibles aren't supported by the results of the players you claim are more killers than LeBron...

It's funny how yall hang your hats on the handful of bad games or series Bron has had and talk that shyt up and nauseam.....yet all these players you named, without exception, have examples just like this, and more in most cases, and you guys barely waste your breath on it. Gotta service your agenda though, right?

Yall lose all rationality when it comes to Bron, of the guys you listed only Kareem and Magic have a case as being better players front to back. Everyone else is some wish list shyt that comes out when you want to feed a particular narrative about Bron...

breh you're the epitome of a delusional Bron stan,


you always show up like to these threads like flies to shyt, @viktordoomsecretwars ends up sonning the shyt out of you and the rest of you fakkit ass Bron stan nikkas, and it's rinse, wash, repeat every other week


that documentary got you nikkas flustered and in your feelings that bad



anyways, i'm putting you and the rest of the goofies on ignore because every time I read your posts it looks like I'm witnessing debilitating mental illness in real time.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

the man who pioneered stacking the deck

I love when casuals on here expose that they don't know the slightest bit about the history of the game nor can they understand even what they just witnessed.

 

[murksiderock]

anyways, i'm putting you and the rest of the goofies on ignore

Good...

 

[ManBearPig]

the mental gymnastics one must go through to post some shyt like this knowing good and damn well the man who pioneered stacking the deck got out stacked by the team he last played in the Finals


all we see in these threads is excuse after excuse

3 rings while being FMVP for all of them with 4 regular season MVPs along with 34k points is top 3 worthy.

 

[cobra]

Kareem 6, Magic 5,Kobe 5, Duncan 5, Bird 3, Curry 3, Lebron got 3 even though he played on super teams since 2010.. He not MJ level..He Lebron level and that's ok. He just doesn't have the kill the other guys have.

let’s look at this by finals mvps
Magic: 3
Duncan:3
Bird: 2
Kareem: 2
Kobe:2
Steph:0

 

[Roland Coltrane]

3 rings while being FMVP for all of them with 4 regular season MVPs along with 34k points is top 3 worthy.

when it's all said and done KD>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Save $ not Hoes]

when it's all said and done KD>>>>>>>>>>>