Imagine 6’9 280 lebron vs this competition.....

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07:Lebron's team was asscheeks
11:lebron fukked up
14:wade declined and played like shyt
15: love and Kyrie were injured
17: went against a team with 4 All Stars
18: played the same team with no Kyrie Irving


He was only supposed to win in 2011. The other teams were too stacked "17, 18", injuries "15" or his team was ass "07 and 18"

Simply means he’s an all time great but he ain’t the goat. Evidence is laid out.

 

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Can't even say 2011 those Mavs wrecked Kobe's Lakers, KD Russ Harden, and BRoy and Aldridge blazers.....that team was special.

We’re they really? The Heatles were up 2-1 and LeBron happened

 

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This isn't true. The data says so. LBJ has the best playoff clutch of all performers including Jordan.

I can't lie, I used to be a LeBron hater in like 2009. I would say he has limited skill for a superstar. Soft for his size. Not clutch. Weak minded. bytchmade, not Kobe, etc.

In the next 12 years, he proved me wrong in every area to the point I had to stop and tell myself that we need to appreciate his greatness. I get it tho, it seems you are still holding things that he did early in his career against him. I'm not. He proved otherwise.

Clutch but where the rest of the chips atLebron is the greatest non competitive basketball player of all time. Dude wants to win but not very competitive and that’s what separates him from MJ and Bean

 

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Clutch but where the rest of the chips atLebron is the greatest non competitive basketball player of all time. Dude wants to win but not very competitive and that’s what separates him from MJ and Bean

I saw your previous posts so I knew I wasn't expecting a post of quality and my expectations were easily met. Nene of our posts makes any sense. It's a hot take a bit a terrible one. Could you explain what a non-competitive basketball player is?

 

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I saw your previous posts so I knew I wasn't expecting a post of quality and my expectations were easily met. Nene of our posts makes any sense. It's a hot take a bit a terrible one. Could you explain what a non-competitive basketball player is?

One that stacks the odds in his favor to ensure the easy path to ultimate glory(chip). It all comes back to non competitive mentality

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

These guys also forget that MJ didn't have a consistent jumper his first 7-8 years in the league either. In college once he became the man his soph/junior years, teams used to hem him up with the zone. People remember the game-winner he hit his freshman year (when he was the 3rd option behind Worthy and Perkins), but they forget that he was upset 4 straight times way early in the ACC/NCAA tournaments the next two years, even with a stacked team full of future NBA players, cause teams used the zone to keep him from getting inside and he couldn't beat them with the jumper.

MJ finished the game with just 13 points on 6-14 shooting with 4 turnovers, and #1 seed UNC lost to #4 seed Indiana despite 26 from UNC's Sam Perkins (Kenny Smith, Brad Daugherty, and Matt Doherty were the other starters on that stacked-ass squad). A team full of guys who couldn't even have made UNC's roster upset UNC by defending 21yo Jordan the EXACT way the Spurs in 2007 defended 22yo LeBron.

Why couldn't they do that in the NBA? Jeff Ruland already told you why.

Timeout, said MJ didn't have a consistent jumper his first 8 years in the league and then cited examples from college.

He played 9 years before retiring the first time and he clearly had a consistent jumper years before he retired. It wasn't what it was during his 2nd three peat but by his first three peat it was there. Also, at least in the NBA, MJ never lacked for confidence in the way Lebron did. Lebron would outright refuse to take his jumper at times. By 89 Jordan felt comfortable to pull up from mid range multiple times for Game winners against Cleveland. (He hit a mid range jumper, ehlo scored, and he hit another).

I'm not part of this 80s and 90s crowd is better than what we have now either. I just think MJ has always been a lot more aggressive at getting his shyt off than Lebron, even if it means shooting a poor percentage. I watched Kawhi shoot an abysmal against Philly in game 7......but he didn't lose confidence and stop shooting, sometimes it's necessary to empty the clip. It's just as much the willingness to keep shooting as it is being

 

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One that stacks the odds in his favor to ensure the easy path to ultimate glory(chip). It all comes back to non competitive mentality

So you just rambling basically

 

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So you just rambling basically

You ask brother, I didn’t volunteer

 

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You ask brother, I didn’t volunteer

What you said was a lot of nothing. You went into no depth, it was vastly limited in thought and honestly, it's didn't make sense at all.

 

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What you said was a lot of nothing. You went into no depth, it was vastly limited in thought and honestly, it's didn't make sense at all.

Watch Westbrook and Giannis then imagine Bron with that competitive spirit as good as he is. How many chips we talking?

 

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Watch Westbrook and Giannis then imagine Bron with that competitive spirit as good as he is. How many chips we talking?

nikka, your communication skills need a major boost right now. You aren't saying anything of significance. Are you trying to say in your own words that LeBron James lacks motor? If so, that's garbage ass statement son.

 

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nikka, your communication skills need a major boost right now. You aren't saying anything of significance. Are you trying to say in your own words that LeBron James lacks motor? If so, that's garbage ass statement son.

I’m saying LeBron is the greatest non competitive basketball player of all time.

 

[Pimp]

Because he wasn't stuck on a horrible squad like Cleveland for his first 7 years. Celtics were stacked from the moment Bird arrived, so stacked that his 1981 squad has four HOFers of which 3 were playing at All-Star level, and it was still a 5th guy (Cedric Maxwell) who pulled Finals MVP. Bird was worse than '11 LeBron in the '81 Finals, averaged 15ppg on 42% shooting, had three straight games in the middle of the Finals where he scored just 8 points, 8 points, and 12 points, and yet still got the title cause his team was so stacked and they were playing an ugly 40-42 squad.

1984 and 1986 Bird won with two of the most stacked squads ever (four HOFers in the prime with Bird, McHale, Parish, and DJ, plus strong supporting cast and coaching too), and still only won because Magic choked in 1984 and the Rockets were a mediocre team in 1986.

Not one team LeBron ever faced in the Finals in 9 tries was as bad as the 1981 or 1986 Rockets, or choked as hard as the 1984 Lakers. That's how Bird won his titles. Every other year when it came to the elimination game he choked in the big moment, but he gets a pass cause he's white and talks a lot of trash, so the media and league protected him.

You should read what you wrote and see how stupid you sound.

 

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Timeout, said MJ didn't have a consistent jumper his first 8 years in the league and then cited examples from college.

MJ actually retired after his 10th season.

He played 9 years before retiring the first time and he clearly had a consistent jumper years before he retired. Also, at least in the NBA, MJ never lacked for confidence in the way Lebron did. Lebron would outright refuse to take his jumper at times. By 89 Jordan felt comfortable to pull up from mid range multiple times for Game winners against Cleveland. (He hit a mid range jumper, ehlo scored, and he hit another)

I gave an example of how the zone hemmed him up in college because that's the only time he played against a legal zone. Same way Jeff Ruland said the zone hemmed him up when he went to Europe for a year after college, but he was dominant inside for years in the NBA because there was no zone option.

It's weird that you take a few game-winners as evidence that Jordan had a great jumper by '89, but ignore LeBron pulled up for long jumpers multiple times in his epic comeback against Detroit in '07, or hitting that huge game-winning three against Orlando in Game 2 '09 and having another big one to close later in that series in Game 4. Or at a lower level of pressure, those '10 First Round duels against Derrick Rose where he went 4-8 and 6-9 from three (he was 54% from three for the series) or all the big jump shots he hit against Boston and Chicago in clutch situations in the '11 playoffs. Both MJ and LBJ could hit the jump shot in the first 8-9 years of their career, but neither could rely on it as a consistent, above-average weapon.

MJ's improvement in his jump shot was more gradual than LBJ's, but I wouldn't call him an elite jump shooter outside of 15 feet until somewhere around '91-'93. Something worth watching is that 6-three half in Game 1 of the 1992 Finals, even all the way until the last three the Blazers were leaving MJ open from there. In fact the Blazers said before the series that they would try to make him take jump shots. He wasn't expected to make those shots, he'd only shot 27% from three on the season. The rest of the series MJ was just 6-22 from three-point range.

His midrange developed somewhat before his three did, but it was all part of the process. I would say really really roughly that he didn't become an above-average jump shooter until around 1991-92, and wasn't elite until 1993 or even you could say his second run.

 

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Clutch but where the rest of the chips atLebron is the greatest non competitive basketball player of all time. Dude wants to win but not very competitive and that’s what separates him from MJ and Bean

How would you have the greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history, the greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history, and have won your last SIX consecutive Game 7's if you weren't competitive?

2006 1st round: Averages 36-8-6 and hits two game-winners in defeating the Bullets despite not having a single teammate score 13ppg.

2006 ECF: Going up against the same Pistons that beat the Lakers and nearly beat the Spurs, wins three straight games with his #2 out before going down by 2 points in a grindout game and losing in 7.

2007 ECF: Scores 45-5-6 including 29 of the final 30 points to get revenge on the Pistons, driving and dunking with seconds left to send the game into overtime and then hitting a 1-on-4 layup for the game-winner in double overtime.

2008 ECSF: Extremely outmatched against a fantastic Celtics team, scores 35, 32, and 45 in the final three games, only going down late in Game 7 in an epic duel with PP.

2009 ECF: Averaged 39-8-8 against the Magic, hitting a game-winner in Game 2 and nearly hitting back-to-back threes in overtime to win Game 4.

2010 ECSF: Down to the Celtics late in Game 4, LBJ scores 10 of the last 12 including the last 7 to send the game into overtime, then hits the go-ahead basket in overtime. With the score tied and 2 minutes left in Game 5, LBJ scores the final 10 points of the game to put the Celtics away.

2011 ECF: Guards D-Rose in critical moments in the fourth during Game 4 and Game 5, while also hitting huge shots including the go-ahead basket in Game 2, Game 4, AND Game 5.

2012 ECSF: Down 2-1 to the Pacers and with Bosh out and Wade dealing with a bum knee, LeBron goes off for 40-18-9 in Game 4 to even the series and resurrect Miami's season.

2012 ECF: Down 3-2 to the Celtics and with Bosh at 50%, LeBron goes off for 45-15-5 in Boston to pull their hearts out and then takes them out in Game 7.

2013 Finals: Down 3-2 to the Spurs and down 5 with 22 seconds left, LeBron hits the three that starts the rally, then hits the go-ahead shot with 1:43 left in overtime. Follows it with a 37-12-5 performance to win Game 7 despite only two teammates scoring in double figures.

2015 entire playoffs: Despite Love going out and Kyrie missing half the playoffs, has incredibly gritty performances to overcome the 52-win Bulls and 61-win Hawks before pushing the Warriors to 6 while averaging 35-13-9.

2016 Finals: Comes back from 3-1 down against a 73-win team with three of the most incredible back-to-back-to-back performances in Finals history (41-16-7, 41-8-11, and 27-11-11 with "the block" and 9 of the Cavs' last 12 points in Game 7.)

2018 entire playoffs: With a terrible supporting cast and down 6 times (1-0, 2-1, and 3-2 to Pacers and 1-0, 2-0 and 3-2 to Celtics) has nine 40+ games, two game-winners, and two huge gritty Game 7 wins to reach the Finals where he puts up 51 of the heavily favored Warriors before George and J.R. cost them the game.


Most playoff game-winners by any player in NBA history
Most come-from-behind playoff series wins by any player in NBA history
Highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history
Highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history
Most postseason points in NBA history
6-2 in Game 7's including last 6 consecutive wins
Never once had an easy postseason

How could a player who has done all that be called uncompetitive? Just stupid shtt.