If You're not going to college for STEM, You should go to trade school

[Gritsngravy]

 

[TheGreatMTB]

There will never not be enough stem people, stem will never be useless I don’t know where yall be getting that logic from

What stem degrees specifically is being devalued cause stem is more than just computer science

And google and facebook are not about to hire non degree people in high numbers, that’s just a tactic including with ai to lower pay for actual graduates and to lower the number of employees cause they can’t afford them

I'm not sure what your argument is here. You say there will never not be enough stem people....then admit that companies are actively trying to adjust the market using programming and technology.

And any stem degree. If everyone in the country was a neuroscientist, the salary of a neuroscientist would drop. In a capitalist country, there is a supply and demand. If there is a surge of supply (skilled workers) the demand lowers. STEM isn't an outlier. It just so happens that stem is a career field that has a shortage of supply, but if you study the metric, you'll see that more and more people are entering the career field.

So it's reasonable to expect that salaries will settle and eventually start falling in the next few decades. If everyone took the sage advice of getting a stem degree, any of them, the market would become saturated...people would have a hard time receiving job offers, etc, etc. That's how business works.

 

[IIVI]

Yes but even a 10% increase in qualified applicants year over year can have a drastic effect.

I agree but it doesn't always every year. Last year was an overall decline in many engineering graduation numbers, additionally, some fields act like a vacuum on others.

Like there was a big Comp Sci run recently, which meant many other engineering disciplines like Civil had a lot more openings and less people to fill them. The graduation rate there has been declining and it's a field that's right now in high-demand.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Because people are dumb and can't shut the fukk up.
If you're in an in-demand high paying field why the fukk would you go around telling everyone and their mama about it and to go into it?
Once everyone else is in it now your suddenly making less and it's harder to find a job.
This is what happened to lawyers.
Once a guaranteed 6 figure career now mediocrity guarantees you 5 figured.

Doctors would be next if it wasnt because of the rigors of getting into the field. All that upfront schooling cost.

When you start pushing STEM to everyone now nobody is special. You see plumbers out here making 6 figured now cuz it's in demand and there's a shortage.

How many years experience does a plumber need to command a six figure pay

 

[cyndaquil]

Boomers?
Like I said college wasn’t supposed to be meant for “getting a job”, it was supposed to be for expanding your scholarship/knowledge

Industrialization in America created this dynamic where you send people to designated colleges to be some farmers and shyt, and Ronald Regan and nem allowed this dynamic where banks and colleges can exploit the American public and now these jobs can put glass ceilings on black people who can’t afford to go to school

There used to be a time when only about 10% of people went to college and it only costed about a summers job worth of income to pay for it

Our economt has changed and we have shifted to a service based economy rather than a manufacturing based one.
College education requiring job or any type of trade you need certification for > other jobs
But since these require debt to get it has helped to normalize debt for the average American. Credit is one of the biggest scams in this country. You have to have a certain score go be qualified to be able take out a loan to purchase something you need to effectively function in society.
We're talking years of payments taking up a good portion of your income.

These aren't the days anymore where you can just go work at the plant and feed your whole family, wife stays at home, own a house, and 2 cars and take 2-3 good family vacations a year.

shyt is sad.

 

[Bubba T]

Boomers?
Like I said college wasn’t supposed to be meant for “getting a job”, it was supposed to be for expanding your scholarship/knowledge

Industrialization in America created this dynamic where you send people to designated colleges to be some farmers and shyt, and Ronald Regan and nem allowed this dynamic where banks and colleges can exploit the American public and now these jobs can put glass ceilings on black people who can’t afford to go to school

There used to be a time when only about 10% of people went to college and it only costed about a summers job worth of income to pay for it

Yeah, boomers. The way you are posting right now is reminiscent of how boomers speak on college. Case in point, the last sentence of your post. The cost of tuition hasn't been "a summers job worth of income" in literal decades.

The way you are speaking is not aligned with reality in the 21st century. People flock to colleges in order to learn the skills needed to obtain higher paying jobs. That is literally it.

I also believe you mean globalization, as the industrial jobs you speak of were shipped overseas, causing millions to lose their livelihoods. In turn, people began to flock to colleges (and coached their kids to do the same) so they can obtain skills so they can find work that isn't in a factory.

 

[Mike809]

Because people are dumb and can't shut the fukk up.
If you're in an in-demand high paying field why the fukk would you go around telling everyone and their mama about it and to go into it?
Once everyone else is in it now your suddenly making less and it's harder to find a job.
This is what happened to lawyers.
Once a guaranteed 6 figure career now mediocrity guarantees you 5 figured.

Doctors would be next if it wasnt because of the rigors of getting into the field. All that upfront schooling cost.

When you start pushing STEM to everyone now nobody is special. You see plumbers out here making 6 figured now cuz it's in demand and there's a shortage.

Those tik-tok videos of people working by the pool , didn't help either. Mostly Product Managers tho.

 

[Gritsngravy]

I'm not sure what your argument is here. You say there will never not be enough stem people....then admit that companies are actively trying to adjust the market using programming and technology.

And any stem degree. If everyone in the country was a neuroscientist, the salary of a neuroscientist would drop. In a capitalist country, there is a supply and demand. If there is a surge of supply (skilled workers) the demand lowers. STEM isn't an outlier. It just so happens that stem is a career field that has a shortage of supply, but if you study the metric, you'll see that more and more people are entering the career field.

So it's reasonable to expect that salaries will settle and eventually start falling in the next few decades. If everyone took the sage advice of getting a stem degree, any of them, the market would become saturated...people would have a hard time receiving job offers, etc, etc. That's how business works.

Well that’s a hypothetical that stem degrees will be saturated, you don’t know that you just guessing cause it’s been shortages for decades and people desperate for talent and that’s in most stem fields , they literally bringing foreigners over here to not only work these jobs but teach stem to American kids, most people out here being checked up on by Asian doctors how is stem supposed to be saturated

Computer science isn’t the only stem major and the only reason Facebook and google is laying people off cause they ain’t got the money to pay people anymore, not because it’s a saturated Field of degreed computer scientist, why you think they investing so much into ai

 

[Gritsngravy]

Yeah, boomers. The way you are posting right now is reminiscent of how boomers speak on college. Case in point, the last sentence of your post. The cost of tuition hasn't been "a summers job worth of income" in literal decades.

The way you are speaking is not aligned with reality in the 21st century. People flock to colleges in order to learn the skills needed to obtain higher paying jobs. That is literally it.

I also believe you mean globalization, as the industrial jobs you speak of were shipped overseas, causing millions to lose their livelihoods. In turn, people began to flock to colleges (and coached their kids to do the same) so they can obtain skills so they can find work that isn't in a factory.

Like I said college was meant to be about enlightenment and gaining some type of scholarship in a field, today is a b*stardized version of college

You just arguing to be arguing

 

[Gritsngravy]

Our economt has changed and we have shifted to a service based economy rather than a manufacturing based one.
College education requiring job or any type of trade you need certification for > other jobs
But since these require debt to get it has helped to normalize debt for the average American. Credit is one of the biggest scams in this country. You have to have a certain score go be qualified to be able take out a loan to purchase something you need to effectively function in society.
We're talking years of payments taking up a good portion of your income.

These aren't the days anymore where you can just go work at the plant and feed your whole family, wife stays at home, own a house, and 2 cars and take 2-3 good family vacations a year.

shyt is sad.

It’s just another way to siphon money out of American citizens and to put barriers up so we can’t get certain jobs

 

[IIVI]

• STEM jobs are projected to grow 10.8% between 2022 and 2032, almost 4x faster than non-STEM jobs.
• Roughly 50% of students in a STEM bachelor’s degree program fail to earn these degrees 4 to 6 years after their initial enrollment. (NAP, 2016)
• We may be falling behind in STEM education, only 20% of high school graduates are prepared for college-level coursework in STEM majors.

There are only about ~15 million people who have a STEM degree in America through the many different disciplines.

People are making it seem like half the country hold these degrees. It's still rare air to have one.

The most popular field right now is Computer Science and even then only 100k graduated last year with that degree with the other 300k having split between multiple other disciplines.

 

[Schadenfreude]

If you're not going to College for STEM/Medicine (and the good stem, like Computer Science/Pre-Med, not Biology/Chemistry (low pay) or Zoology/Botany/Geology (no jobs)), you should go into the trades. (I'll including Accounting and Nursing as good majors)

Say no to

• Marketing - No
• Advertising - No.
• History - No
• European/Black/Latino/Arabic/Women's/LGBT/Religious Studies - No.
• Spanish/Chinese/Japanese/German/ASL - No
• English/Literature/Creative Writing - No.
• Political Science/Philosophy - No
• Psychology - No.
• Fine Arts - No.
• Architecture - No.
• Pre Law - No.
• Finance/Economics - No.
• Business Communication - No.

You get the drift.
Stomping on dreams.
I'm not adding any context.

If you want to, that's your business.

That's it.
That's the post.

Agree, or disagree.

You do understand that biologists and chemistry majors who work for the right companies make serious bread right?

 

[Admiral Ackbar]

Capitalism fukked up college and what it was meant to be

Someone should do a new Dead Poets Society.

 

[maxamusa]

I'm a trades breh who works with a lot of engineers.

they're 2 different worlds.

engineers are book nerds.


but from my experience the best engineers were prior trades brehs. Just saying

 

[WIA20XX]

College is supposed to be about gaining knowledge and enlightenment, it’s wasn’t meant to be a jobs program

That was decades ago, when you could get a good job with a high school diploma.

The world has changed, and college has changed with it.

It's no longer a place for intellectual discovery.

I say people go do whatever they into, I’m not about to tell a kid to not go hard in the psychologist, they can be the next sigmund frued or Carl Jung truth be told psychology is almost a stem, Architecture is stem, Finance/Economics is kinda stem, we need black historians to properly account for history, Biology/Chemistry is an important field to get into, Geology is an important field

Trying to handicap these kids to just certain fields ain’t necessarily the move, sure that may work for kids who don’t know what they want to do but let’s not disregard kids who really may have a interest/passion about something

I'll disregard them in a heartbeat.

Better to be a bitter Java developer than a fetching groceries for Instacart, or worse.