I just watched Man of Steel again and I don't understand the criticisms

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It was a fine movie.

My only issue was that at the end they were like 'Thank you Superman for saving us :blessed:' and I'm like :dwillhuh: He destroyed half of Metropolis fighting Zod. No mention of a body count? That had to be in the thousands

I HATE this misconception by people saying he helped destroy Metropolis. 1st of all, the city was mostly fuccked up because of the terraforming machine. Superman had to fly clear across the other side of the PLANET just to stop it. Most of Metropolis and its body count was already made! 2nd, of all Zod made a vow to kill every single human. It's not like Superman had a CHOICE in the matter. He couldn't fly out of Metropolis to fight him in a safe open area. You think Zod was stupid enough to follow him when his main agenda was to kill all humans???

In fact, the thing I loved about this film was that people were dying and the reality of when two GODS were fighting in a huge ass city that there will be collateral damage and casualties. I do not WANT a film like AVENGERS where you have an alien invasion and the streets are clear in NYC.
 
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It was average. There was no build up for his story. His history and what made him superman seemed kind of rushed. But the CGI and fights scenes :whew: . I still rate all the Batman movies over it though.
 
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Lets take them one by one..
First, I felt the film did a nice job of showcasing how Clark was born with his instincts and morality. He was not told how to act and feel by his parents as many have claimed. As a 10-12-year old, we see him save his classmates from drowning after the bus tumbles into the water. The mother of one of the kids he rescued is having coffee at the Kent house and explains that "this is not the first time Clark has done something like this". Later in his 20's, we have a scene where he saves an entire plant of people. He saves Lois multiple times and others throughout the film. At the very end of the film we see a young Clark playing in the yard with a "red cape". If this isn't supposed to signify that he was born to be Superman then I don't know what would.
Pa Kent is certainly there for guidance. Clark wants his life to "mean something" as he explains in a car ride and he tells his father earlier that he couldn't just let those kids die. Pa Kent is not against this idea that Clark can change the world, he simply wants him to wait until the time is right. He does not tell Clark not to save mankind overall, just that they are not ready to witness what Clark can do. Clark will know when the time is right. The tornado scene was hokey and contrived but that would only be a minor gripe for me.
Jor-El is definitely not telling Kal what to do so much as he is offering reassurance. Kal already wants to be a "Superman" type figure well before Kal establishes the significance of his landing. I had no issue with any of this. Critics have said that Superman shouldn't have doubt but I don't mind this take on it. He is still developing as Superman and as a "person" on earth
I also wanted to revisit the scene with he and Zod at the end. First, Superman does not throw Zod through buildings, I don't know where this idea came from but it is absolutely false. I watched it again very closely. Superman is trying to fight Zod in mid air and abandoned locations and Zod keeps throwing him through shyt. Plus, most of the buildings Superman is thrown through are no longer occupied. This idea that Superman should have been there to save everyone from the destruction, it's not possible. He was across the world trying to destroy the machine in the Indian Ocean. He is Superman but he cannot be EVERYWHERE at once.
RE: Zod's death. Zod says "This ends with one of us dead". Zod was already banished to the phantom zone and came back. Zod will always keep coming back. Superman never showed that he could strong man Zod away from anything. Superman could not simply "lift him up and away from those in danger" as others have stated. This was his first real fight and Zod explained how he was a born warrior who was adapting easier to the elements in terms of fighting skills. Zod was the stronger being in this fight. This as fact, he was stronger than Superman at that point in time. Superman was still developing his skillset. People have taken issue with how he dealt with Zod but Zod cannot be imprisoned. It is better in my view that it ended this way than for Zod to be banished and then come back and kill even more innocents. That is a failure in the comics because Superman is often left with blood of innocents on his hands.
Overall this is a visually stunning film and a script that is not nearly as bad as some have made it out to be. It makes perfect sense and though there are some alterations to the character, it is still Superman. He still possesses most of the qualities that we expect him to.

Movie is BULLSHYT...

(1) Superman was born of natural birth...Both his parents were genetically designed "nerds", so how the hell is he going to defeat an army of genetically designed trained and battle tested superbeings...?

Little mistakes like this just make me hate movies and TV Shows...

(2) That love story with Lois Lane is just wack and unnecessary...How the hell is superman going to nut in a human female...? The force of his ejaculation will destroy her vagina and womb...

Do the writers even realize this...?

Thanks to the movies and TV Shows, I now HATE superman and spiderman...Them are wack swaggerless love sick superheroes...They are superheroes for little kids...
 

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Movie is BULLSHYT...

(1) Superman was born of natural birth...Both his parents were genetically designed "nerds", so how the hell is he going to defeat an army of genetically designed trained and battle tested superbeings...?

Little mistakes like this just make me hate movies and TV Shows...

(2) That love story with Lois Lane is just wack and unnecessary...How the hell is superman going to nut in a human female...? The force of his ejaculation will destroy her vagina and womb...

Do the writers even realize this...?

Thanks to the movies and TV Shows, I now HATE superman and spiderman...Them are wack swaggerless love sick superheroes...They are superheroes for little kids...

Breh, you do realize that the romance angle is pretty much key to both characters. I know a lot of dudes on here hate that for some reason but for spider man in particular, ever since the first issue, romance has been big on Peter's list of things he wants in his life. Love sick is pretty much what he does. Stan Lee has said it on numerous occasions: He created a soap opera that would have a fight breakout every once in a while. He, and a lot of other writers, have always said that Peter Parker is the best part about writing Spider-Man and key to making a good spider man story.


And as far as superman, the romance with Lois or Lana is also key to him getting a better understanding of humanity and giving him something else to fight for and something else to protect. They aren't going to be "hard on hoes" like batman because batman is a character who thrives on isolation and trying to cut off any connection that could be a weakness to his work; he doesn't want a normal life; Peter and Clark try to maintain as much of a normal life as possible
 

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not heavily in the whole love thing but when done right it can be great in a super hero movie.


But for these Coli cats that so hard be on that "hard on hoes" movement, why don't they more heavily support Frank Castle?? That's about the only comic character that I recalled never gave a fukk about a bytch!!! Lol
 

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not heavily in the whole love thing but when done right it can be great in a super hero movie.


But for these Coli cats that so hard be on that "hard on hoes" movement, why don't they more heavily support Frank Castle?? That's about the only comic character that I recalled never gave a fukk about a bytch!!! Lol

Say word. Punisher lost all of his family and has no desire to get them back. He wants vengeance for the wife and kids he lost...ya'll should make a Frank Castle fan club
 
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Breh, you do realize that the romance angle is pretty much key to both characters. I know a lot of dudes on here hate that for some reason but for spider man in particular, ever since the first issue, romance has been big on Peter's list of things he wants in his life. Love sick is pretty much what he does. Stan Lee has said it on numerous occasions: He created a soap opera that would have a fight breakout every once in a while. He, and a lot of other writers, have always said that Peter Parker is the best part about writing Spider-Man and key to making a good spider man story.
And as far as superman, the romance with Lois or Lana is also key to him getting a better understanding of humanity and giving him something else to fight for and something else to protect. They aren't going to be "hard on hoes" like batman because batman is a character who thrives on isolation and trying to cut off any connection that could be a weakness to his work; he doesn't want a normal life; Peter and Clark try to maintain as much of a normal life as possible
That's why I don't fcuks with Superman and Spiderman...My brain just can't accept their characters...

Especially Superman, there is no struggle...The movie tried to create a struggle for Clark Kent, but there just isn't one...

I can't relate to those two superheroes...They are nice for little children...Adults need more "real" superheroes...
 

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That's why I don't fcuks with Superman and Spiderman...My brain just can't accept their characters...

Especially Superman, there is no struggle...The movie tried to create a struggle for Clark Kent, but there just isn't one...

I can't relate to those two superheroes...They are nice for little children...Adults need more "real" superheroes...

So you're saying that because Peter Parker, who in the comics and most iterations, is either a high school kid or a guy in his 20s, wants to have a relationship and has to deal with paying bills, finding work, maintaining a relationship with his girl, his friends and his aunt, all while having this huge responsibility, isn't relatable and is for children? I don't know about you breh but that all seems like pretty adult shyt to me and pretty real. The reason Spider-Man has maintained popularity for so long is because he is the most "real" of the superheroes because outside of being in that costume, he deals with the same shyt most of us do on the regular
 

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That's why I don't fcuks with Superman and Spiderman...My brain just can't accept their characters...

Especially Superman, there is no struggle...The movie tried to create a struggle for Clark Kent, but there just isn't one...

I can't relate to those two superheroes...They are nice for little children...Adults need more "real" superheroes...




Punisher nicca!!!:comeon:
 

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That's why I don't fcuks with Superman and Spiderman...My brain just can't accept their characters...

Especially Superman, there is no struggle...The movie tried to create a struggle for Clark Kent, but there just isn't one...

I can't relate to those two superheroes...They are nice for little children...Adults need more "real" superheroes...
:childplease: Spider-Man has guilt on his mind that I would wish on my worst enemy. Knowing that he could have handle the guy who eventually killed his Uncle.
 

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Punisher nicca!!!:comeon:

Word. AND I'll argue that one of the greatest comic book stories ever, not just spider man stories, revolves around him losing the woman he loves. It changed comics, changed the character and changed fans expectations. Had he been "hard on hoes" we never would've gotten that story or that moment
 

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:childplease: Spider-Man has guilt on his mind that I would wish on my worst enemy. Knowing that he could have handle the guy who eventually killed his Uncle.

Yeah I forgot that that cat carries guilt on his shoulders like no one else. His uncle, Gwen, Ned Leeds, Jean DeWolffe, Harry, Martha Jameson...dude can't catch a break. But death and guilt is for children brehs
 
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So you're saying that because Peter Parker, who in the comics and most iterations, is either a high school kid or a guy in his 20s, wants to have a relationship and has to deal with paying bills, finding work, maintaining a relationship with his girl, his friends and his aunt, all while having this huge responsibility, isn't relatable and is for children? I don't know about you breh but that all seems like pretty adult shyt to me and pretty real. The reason Spider-Man has maintained popularity for so long is because he is the most "real" of the superheroes because outside of being in that costume, he deals with the same shyt most of us do on the regular
Basically, I don't fcuks with that "one and true love theme"

Any superhero who is hung on one chick is a poosie to me...Take away the special abilities and they are no different than your average geek simp...That's weak to me...Regardless of super abilities...

There is NO way you can have the pressure of the world on your shoulders, and give a fcuk about one chick...Dudes is dying everyday, accidents, natural disasters...

When you really have that sense of responsibility to make a significant difference, you sacrifice everything that you want...

Superman's struggle should be that he can NEVER love one woman, because someone can be dying while he is getting his dikke sucked by Lois Lane...That should be his SACRIFICE...Otherwise he has it all, and he is only a superman and NOT a superhero, because a superhero NEEDS to be VULNERABLE...

A superhero HAS to sacrifice what he/she wants the most for the need of the many...
 

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Basically, I don't fcuks with that "one and true love theme"

Any superhero who is hung on one chick is a poosie to me...Take away the special abilities and they are no different than your average geek simp...That's weak to me...Regardless of super abilities...

There is NO way you can have the pressure of the world on your shoulders, and give a fcuk about one chick...Dudes is dying everyday, accidents, natural disasters...

When you really have that sense of responsibility to make a significant difference, you sacrifice everything that you want...

Superman's struggle should be that he can NEVER love one woman, because someone can be dying while he is getting his dikke sucked by Lois Lane...That should be his SACRIFICE...Otherwise he has it all, and he is only a superman and NOT a superhero, because a superhero NEEDS to be VULNERABLE...

A superhero HAS to sacrifice what he/she wants the most for the need of the many...

Dude most superheroes outside of superman and a couple others don't grow up wanting to be superheroes. Peter Parker didn't grow up wanting to be spider man. He was a meek shy arrogant science geek who got picked on and was an outcast. He wanted a normal life for himself and then he got but by a spider. He has that pressure on his shoulder but still has the one chick that he wants to come home to because at the end of the day he's Peter Parker. Spider man is a costume he puts on not who he is. And because he's still got a supporting family of course he's going to try to raise his own. One of his struggles has always been how to get some of the things he wants while still being spider man. He's sacrificed a career for the costume and friends and lost a girlfriend all because of the costume. The one thing he's always tried to hold on to is family whether it's his aunt or Gwen or MJ.

I guess this is where we differ and that's cool but I don't see someone wanting ONE woman to come home to as weak or simp especially since most of the time these guys are confiding in that woman and sharing with her and the women hold them down as much as they hold them down. Lois lane and Mary Jane Watson are strong female characters and I don't see Clark or Peter as weak for those relationships. And again for Peter, it's those relationships that make him who he is. I'd feel you if they were tricking on these chicks but they aren't.
 

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So you're saying that because Peter Parker, who in the comics and most iterations, is either a high school kid or a guy in his 20s, wants to have a relationship and has to deal with paying bills, finding work, maintaining a relationship with his girl, his friends and his aunt, all while having this huge responsibility, isn't relatable and is for children? I don't know about you breh but that all seems like pretty adult shyt to me and pretty real. The reason Spider-Man has maintained popularity for so long is because he is the most "real" of the superheroes because outside of being in that costume, he deals with the same shyt most of us do on the regular

That is true, but what made Spider Man popular also harmed Spider Man's (and Marvel Comics') mythology when they stayed on the problem side and their heroes never truly overcoming them to be better People. Superman and DC comics always have the heroes overcome tremendous odds and strive to be better heroes, at least better than their early days of crime fighting.
 
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