I just watched Man of Steel again and I don't understand the criticisms

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First 30 minutes had me shook that this was going to be another "Watchmen" type movie but it eventually picked up...

I thought it was dope... but then again I'm not the type to dissect every detail of a movie either... :manny:

You can find flaws in EVERY movie, song or book ever made... it either entertains you or it doesn't...
 

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I loved the movie...

I feel like this first movie was a learning experience for Clark. Im sure there will be more caution and regard for human life in the sequels.

Also, it kind of seemed necessary for him to snap Zods neck... The entire film it seemed like they emphasized the fact that Superman has potential to get stronger and stronger, but he has to go through some extreme distress that requires to push himself to the limits... Snapping Zod's neck, a guy who is probably
More powerful and skilled was superman pushing the limits and establishing himself as King dikk in the universe...

 

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Just watched this. Plot was kinda meh IMO but those fight scenes are the best of any comic book movie. Am I wrong in saying they even rival some of the fight scenes of the animated flicks? It was like finally getting to see the Hulk really fukk shyt up in the Avengers but x's100.
 

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You could argue Clark was inherently a hero but you can't possibly hope sell Pa Kent as decent father or Clark as a man of conviction. Kent all but scolds at superpowered pre-teen for saving a bus load of his classmates. When said kid asks if he should've let them die, Kent says maybe (Clark masters the art of letting people die by the end of the film). Why would anyone do that? There are ways of emphasizing the need of secrecy without suggesting a sociopathic behavior, every major incarnation of Superman has done it, even the emo Smallville pulled it off. For some reason Man of Steel's Pa Kent sows the seed of doubt in Clark, for no good reason, until A.I. daddy straightens him out.

And that is what happen. Jor-El flatout gives Clark his mission, his gear, and the plans to stop Zod. Had it not been for Jor-El, Clark would've still hitchhiked around America because Pa Kent confused him as a child. If not as a child but then when he suicided via tornado. As the movie shows Clark spends most of his adult life lost and without direction, trying do what is right while appeasing his father's wishes until Jor-El makes Kent role obsolete.

As for Clark developing his person, I agree. He has no personality in the beginning of the film and towards the end Clark to show hints of one. For most of the film someone points in one direction and Clark chases after it. Superman, in his own movie, is the most underdeveloped character in said movie.



I personally dont care that Superman killed Zod but it doesnt make sense in the context of the movie. Zod was the better fighter, dominating the entire fight until Clark put him in a headlock and snapped his head. Zod managed to master his powers in under 30mins were as Clarks struggled with it his entire life. How would Zod lose against Clark unless he wanted to lose?

I could go on:
Why would Clark fly to the other side of the world to stop the Terraforming machine, in the middle of the ocean, when there's a machine in the middle of Metropolis? Since both need to be activate to "terraform" wouldnt it make since for him help the army in Metropolis instead of forcing them to die alone against Zod's army?
Why was Lois taken to Zod's ship other than because Superman has to save her?
Why does Fiora allow the general to destroy Zod's terraforming machine?
How did Clark know he could fly?
Why didnt Zod just look at the family he was trying to melt with his laser I vision?
Why didnt Clark just block his eyes or carry him off into the sky then break his neck?
Why didnt Zod break Clark's neck?
Why did Pa Kent believe Clark couldn't save their dog without everyone figuring out Clark had superpowers? Didnt Pa Kent do virtually the same thing only different being his shoe got caught?
Why is Clark quiet the entire movie?
Why did Clark and Lois make out in the center of Metropolis' ruins? Why were they making out period other than the fact that he's Superman and she's Lois?


Man of Steel's story is painful to watch and is long enough that you start asking questions to shyt you would overlook in shorter films. The transformers movies had the same problems. Pretty to look at but not much there :ld:


I think you are not cognitive when movies like this type would have been made in multitude.
To explain the dangers in an alien amoung us, and movies such as ET.
Easily illustrated the nature and intelligence of the pa Kent character in this iteration of superman in man of steel.
Anyone critiquing pa Kent wrongly are in error and I reckon they really have not seen Et, just for simple starters and don't make sense in critique.
All because they are missing key critical blockbuster movie mechanism in play cognitively.

If you never saw movies like ET, max and me, transformers, to hunt for witch mountain you don't understand the brevity of an alien being found out living in the USA.
Pa Kent was dead on to move how he told supes to operate as a child because the severe brevity of Clark being discovered would have lead to Clark being put in a plastic bubble and the whole Kent farm plastic bubbled and neutralized.



So, anyone critical of pa Kent.
I really challenge them to tell me they really know movies because in our Gen.
They have expressly re-iterated in key staple blockbusters.
the dangers of the government finding and neutralizing an alien threat for discovery.
So, to discount the brevity and actions of pa Kent.
I have to really ask how many fukk'n Sci fi alien movies have you seen and I don't think you are qualified to critique moves of this type and genre.
As it easily shows you don't know key blockcuster Sci fi plot points that have to be present or written around.

Clark becoming a guinea pig to the government and pa Kent being guarded about clark'a operation are one of the key underlying real threats of the movie.
To denounce that in pa's action shows you don't really know movies and anyone who seen et knows more about this than you.
Which means the people who get et, get this and you are offbrand not to get this.


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The scene with Clark's dad scolding him for saving a school bus full of children had me :dead:, and let me know this was not a good movie. The utter destruction caused by the fight scenes with no regard or even concern for human life on Superman's part gutted his character for me. Not even a shout to law enforcement to organize an evac? Seemed antithetical to why he was fighting in the first place.
 

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The scene with Clark's dad scolding him for saving a school bus full of children had me :dead:, and let me know this was not a good movie. The utter destruction caused by the fight scenes with no regard or even concern for human life on Superman's part gutted his character for me. Not even a shout to law enforcement to organize an evac? Seemed antithetical to why he was fighting in the first place.

He's barely Superman in the movie though. The suit and the desire to do good are barely even a start. He's still discovering himself. Let that man have his origins.

My son basically dropped a demo-tape when he was like 15. This next movie is gonna be his major label debut.
 

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He's barely Superman in the movie though. The suit and the desire to do good are barely even a start. He's still discovering himself. Let that man have his origins.

My son basically dropped a demo-tape when he was like 15. This next movie is gonna be his major label debut.

:pachaha: The reach is strong but the analogy about the demo tape is pretty good. At any rate, I must have a little faith because I bought Batman v Superman tickets last week. I like redemption so I hope this next film is the debut you talking about.
 

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Pa Kent didn't say "yes"..... He said in a very conflicted tone "I don't know.. maybe" ... He was trying to talk himself into it but in reality didn't really know what the best course of action would be. All he knew in his mind was that the world was not yet ready to accept a Superman type figure. But he also knew that one day Clark was destined to become that type of figure.

See... most of these complaints reaffirm that some people need to pay closer attention before they bytch :heh:

That wasn't Pa Kent's message at all though. He always said that one day Clark would change the world and he was fine with that... It was an inherent trait but also something that Pa Kent believed in. The only thing was that he was conflicted about the when and how and was very protective of his son... which is understandable. It's all pretty straightforward to me. :manny:


See, these things bother me. I wouldn't have minded him being unsure about whether or not Clark should've saved those kids and I didn't really in the movie. Even though it's fukked up it showed that he really didn't know what to do because he's a fukking farmer from Kansas.

But then he flipped the script and said that Clark was meant for bigger. He started a God complex in what he knows is a goddamn alien with the ability to destroy the world.

Superman stories can be made interesting. This isn't one of those times.
 

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:pachaha: The reach is strong but the analogy about the demo tape is pretty good. At any rate, I must have a little faith because I bought Batman v Superman tickets last week. I like redemption so I hope this next film is the debut you talking about.

I'm one of the premier haters of Man of Steel but I'm seeing BvS lol.
 

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I think you are not cognitive when movies like this type would have been made in multitude.
To explain the dangers in an alien amoung us, and movies such as ET.
Easily illustrated the nature and intelligence of the pa Kent character in this iteration of superman in man of steel.
Anyone critiquing pa Kent wrongly are in error and I reckon they really have not seen Et, just for simple starters and don't make sense in critique.
All because they are missing key critical blockbuster movie mechanism in play cognitively.

If you never saw movies like ET, max and me, transformers, to hunt for witch mountain you don't understand the brevity of an alien being found out living in the USA.
Pa Kent was dead on to move how he told supes to operate as a child because the severe brevity of Clark being discovered would have lead to Clark being put in a plastic bubble and the whole Kent farm plastic bubbled and neutralized.



So, anyone critical of pa Kent.
I really challenge them to tell me they really know movies because in our Gen.
They have expressly re-iterated in key staple blockbusters.
the dangers of the government finding and neutralizing an alien threat for discovery.
So, to discount the brevity and actions of pa Kent.
I have to really ask how many fukk'n Sci fi alien movies have you seen and I don't think you are qualified to critique moves of this type and genre.
As it easily shows you don't know key blockcuster Sci fi plot points that have to be present or written around.

Clark becoming a guinea pig to the government and pa Kent being guarded about clark'a operation are one of the key underlying real threats of the movie.
To denounce that in pa's action shows you don't really know movies and anyone who seen et knows more about this than you.
Which means the people who get et, get this and you are offbrand not to get this.


Art Barr

You're using pop culture to explain bad writing? I've the majority of those films and sat through Smallivlle for 10 years; Pa kent was afraid of the government taking Clark every week :snoop: But there's a difference between teaching caution and telling a superpowered adolescence, asking for guidance from his only father figure, that he should let people/children die. This shyt makes even less sense seeing as through Ma Kent said Pa Kent knew Clark would end up being a hero.


Its like he tried his best to sabotage the kid:mjlol:

I completely the purpose of that scene as well as the scene where Pa Kent suicides for a dog. I doesnt change the fact that it's bad writing and some of the most unrealistic aspects of film in which people can shoot fire outta their eyes.
 
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