I just watched Man of Steel again and I don't understand the criticisms

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too many long drawn out action scenes...it lacked a consistent focus and character everybody just seemed wooden and it felt more like a sci fi film than a superhero film...a good film but...

It pales to the Dark Knight Trilogy and the symbolism and allegory's used to craftily paint who batman was and what motivated his villains was beautiful
 

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I enjoyed the movie....but people will always find some sh*t to complain about
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everybody just seemed wooden

I didn't think so. I felt Amy Adams, Costner and Fishburne showed a range of emotions. Superman was a little wooden but it made sense given how he spent a lot of the film trying to find his origin. Crowe was just Crowe.. that's how he acts in every epic he's in. Zod was hyped.
 

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Lets take them one by one..
First, I felt the film did a nice job of showcasing how Clark was born with his instincts and morality. He was not told how to act and feel by his parents as many have claimed. As a 10-12-year old, we see him save his classmates from drowning after the bus tumbles into the water. The mother of one of the kids he rescued is having coffee at the Kent house and explains that "this is not the first time Clark has done something like this". Later in his 20's, we have a scene where he saves an entire plant of people. He saves Lois multiple times and others throughout the film. At the very end of the film we see a young Clark playing in the yard with a "red cape". If this isn't supposed to signify that he was born to be Superman then I don't know what would.

Pa Kent is certainly there for guidance. Clark wants his life to "mean something" as he explains in a car ride and he tells his father earlier that he couldn't just let those kids die. Pa Kent is not against this idea that Clark can change the world, he simply wants him to wait until the time is right. He does not tell Clark not to save mankind overall, just that they are not ready to witness what Clark can do. Clark will know when the time is right. The tornado scene was hokey and contrived but that would only be a minor gripe for me.

Jor-El is definitely not telling Kal what to do so much as he is offering reassurance. Kal already wants to be a "Superman" type figure well before Kal establishes the significance of his landing. I had no issue with any of this. Critics have said that Superman shouldn't have doubt but I don't mind this take on it. He is still developing as Superman and as a "person" on earth
You could argue Clark was inherently a hero but you can't possibly hope sell Pa Kent as decent father or Clark as a man of conviction. Kent all but scolds at superpowered pre-teen for saving a bus load of his classmates. When said kid asks if he should've let them die, Kent says maybe (Clark masters the art of letting people die by the end of the film). Why would anyone do that? There are ways of emphasizing the need of secrecy without suggesting a sociopathic behavior, every major incarnation of Superman has done it, even the emo Smallville pulled it off. For some reason Man of Steel's Pa Kent sows the seed of doubt in Clark, for no good reason, until A.I. daddy straightens him out.

And that is what happen. Jor-El flatout gives Clark his mission, his gear, and the plans to stop Zod. Had it not been for Jor-El, Clark would've still hitchhiked around America because Pa Kent confused him as a child. If not as a child but then when he suicided via tornado. As the movie shows Clark spends most of his adult life lost and without direction, trying do what is right while appeasing his father's wishes until Jor-El makes Kent role obsolete.

As for Clark developing his person, I agree. He has no personality in the beginning of the film and towards the end Clark to show hints of one. For most of the film someone points in one direction and Clark chases after it. Superman, in his own movie, is the most underdeveloped character in said movie.


RE: Zod's death. Zod says "This ends with one of us dead". Zod was already banished to the phantom zone and came back. Zod will always keep coming back. Superman never showed that he could strong man Zod away from anything. Superman could not simply "lift him up and away from those in danger" as others have stated. This was his first real fight and Zod explained how he was a born warrior who was adapting easier to the elements in terms of fighting skills. Zod was the stronger being in this fight. This as fact, he was stronger than Superman at that point in time. Superman was still developing his skillset. People have taken issue with how he dealt with Zod but Zod cannot be imprisoned. It is better in my view that it ended this way than for Zod to be banished and then come back and kill even more innocents. That is a failure in the comics because Superman is often left with blood of innocents on his hands.
I personally dont care that Superman killed Zod but it doesnt make sense in the context of the movie. Zod was the better fighter, dominating the entire fight until Clark put him in a headlock and snapped his head. Zod managed to master his powers in under 30mins were as Clarks struggled with it his entire life. How would Zod lose against Clark unless he wanted to lose?

I could go on:
Why would Clark fly to the other side of the world to stop the Terraforming machine, in the middle of the ocean, when there's a machine in the middle of Metropolis? Since both need to be activate to "terraform" wouldnt it make since for him help the army in Metropolis instead of forcing them to die alone against Zod's army?
Why was Lois taken to Zod's ship other than because Superman has to save her?
Why does Fiora allow the general to destroy Zod's terraforming machine?
How did Clark know he could fly?
Why didnt Zod just look at the family he was trying to melt with his laser I vision?
Why didnt Clark just block his eyes or carry him off into the sky then break his neck?
Why didnt Zod break Clark's neck?
Why did Pa Kent believe Clark couldn't save their dog without everyone figuring out Clark had superpowers? Didnt Pa Kent do virtually the same thing only different being his shoe got caught?
Why is Clark quiet the entire movie?
Why did Clark and Lois make out in the center of Metropolis' ruins? Why were they making out period other than the fact that he's Superman and she's Lois?


Man of Steel's story is painful to watch and is long enough that you start asking questions to shyt you would overlook in shorter films. The transformers movies had the same problems. Pretty to look at but not much there :ld:
 

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it was one of my favorite movies of the year and outside of a handful of ppl here, i havent ran into anyone who hated the movie or complained about it.

i'm ready for part 2 :ahh:
 
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You could argue Clark was inherently a hero but you can't possibly hope sell Pa Kent as decent father or Clark as a man of conviction. Kent all but scolds at superpowered pre-teen for saving a bus load of his classmates. When said kid asks if he should've let them die, Kent says maybe (Clark masters the art of letting people die by the end of the film). Why would anyone do that? There are ways of emphasizing the need of secrecy without suggesting a sociopathic behavior, every major incarnation of Superman has done it, even the emo Smallville pulled it off. For some reason Man of Steel's Pa Kent sows the seed of doubt in Clark, for no good reason, until A.I. daddy straightens him out.

"maybe" was a clear throwaway line from a father struggling with how to deal with his super human son. He knew that humanity would shun his son if they were to reveal who he truly was.. He wanted Clark to be Superman but in his view the world wasn't ready... Clark always grew up wanting to be a Super hero that is detailed for us throughout the film all the way up to the ending with his playing in the yard as a kid with a cape on.. It wasn't until Superman helped defeat zod and his crew that humanity started to trust him and even then they were following him with satellite surveillance... Superman put a stop to that like :ufdup:

And that is what happen. Jor-El flatout gives Clark his mission, his gear, and the plans to stop Zod. Had it not been for Jor-El, Clark would've still hitchhiked around America because Pa Kent confused him as a child. If not as a child but then when he suicided via tornado. As the movie shows Clark spends most of his adult life lost and without direction, trying do what is right while appeasing his father's wishes until Jor-El makes Kent role obsolete.

Clark found the ship himself. Jor-El didn't lead him to the ship. Clark found the ship and his father's conscience which is necessary for Kal to know where he comes from. Jor-El did not give him a mission.. it was always Clark's mission. All Jor-El offered was reassurance. True, he assisted Superman in how to defeat Zod.. why wouldn't he? Superman was a rookie in the game. That is also detailed throughout the movie that he was still developing his attributes. He had never even been in a fight.

I personally dont care that Superman killed Zod but it doesnt make sense in the context of the movie. Zod was the better fighter, dominating the entire fight until Clark put him in a headlock and snapped his head. Zod managed to master his powers in under 30mins were as Clarks struggled with it his entire life

Zod was destined to be a warrior and protector of Krypton and that's exactly what he became. Superman doesn't have a tag on him. He was not born into Krypton with a predetermined lifestyle.... he was born with a certain morality as we see often throughout the film when he is saving others.. Zod mastered his powers because he is a born fighter. It is something Superman had been developing since as I said he had never fought.

Why was Lois taken to Zod's ship other than because Superman has to save her?
Why does Fiora allow the general to destroy Zod's terraforming machine?
How did Clark know he could fly?
Why is Clark quiet the entire movie?
Why did Clark and Lois make out in the center of Metropolis' ruins? Why were they making out period other than the fact that he's Superman and she's Lois?

-Lois was taken to the ship because Zod knew he could use her as collateral. It's that simple. She went willingly too..
-She didn't let him destroy anything. He flew right into it and she was thrust into a black hole.
-What do you mean how? Clark was testing his abilities and pushing himself throughout the movie. He was trying to see how far they could go.
-He's quiet because he has no reason to be otherwise.
-Superman saved Lois' life multiples times and Lois was the first person that Superman attached himself to outside of his immediate family and the reason he did was because Lois showed him what kind of person she is.. she could have easily put him on blast and revealed where he lived to the world, etc.. but she didn't she was trustworthy. Plus, I'd fukk Amy Adams too if I had the opportunity. Why not.. :shaq:
 
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My only issue was that at the end they were like 'Thank you Superman for saving us :blessed:' and I'm like :dwillhuh: He destroyed half of Metropolis fighting Zod. No mention of a body count? That had to be in the thousands

That's just it, though. If you watch it closely Superman never throws Zod through a building. All of the damage and causalities are from Zod's initial attack (while Superman was destroying the machine in the Indian Ocean) or from Zod throwing Superman through buildings which were most unoccupied by the time the fight begins..
 

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The concept of Superman in this day and age is just outdated. It pales in comparison to other heroes like Batman, X-men, etc. I felt the dialogue in certain scenes were cringeworthy and some of the action was bland. Cavill was definitely better then that bore from the superman returns movie(has that guy starred in anything since?) But the weak writing from Goyer kept this from reaching its true potential similar to TDKR
 

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I downright disliked the movie. It made me mad.

First of all, Clark had like 10 lines and not one of them was a quotable. Plus the lines he did have were just eh.

Pa Kent's death was 100% unavoidable and in no way poignant. He was a dumbass and deserved to die and so did Ma Kent because technically it was her fault. Clark blamed himself but his parents were just a$$holes.

The lens flare.

They made Diane Lane ugly which they can't be forgiven for.

The whole first half of the movie is forgettable and disjointed.

None of the scenes made me feel anything. I really didn't care that he was getting beat up or that he felt out of place. The only time I did feel something it was with the sideline characters and that's cause of Larry Fishburne.

Jor-El being the literal deus ex-machina.

And Zod's death was just stupid. No matter how it's justified, it just felt like "oh, well ok."
 

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That's just it, though. If you watch it closely Superman never throws Zod through a building. All of the damage and causalities are from Zod's initial attack (while Superman was destroying the machine in the Indian Ocean) or from Zod throwing Superman through buildings which were most unoccupied by the time the fight begins..
And wasn't most of Metropolis evacuated anyways??
 
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