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Because you're so determined on education being the pathway to success so I'm curious about how much you have prioritized it in your own life.
Do you have a link to the other thread?
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Because you're so determined on education being the pathway to success so I'm curious about how much you have prioritized it in your own life.
Do you have a link to the other thread?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/einstein-vs-the-brains-of-today.166051/page-8
and i do think education is key, but the issue was asked about fundamentals, so when i say education in the context of this thread, im talking about reading, writing and math, not necessarily higher education, although im a big proponent of that also, but fundamentally black people need to focus reading, writing and math at the k-12 levels, that is where things break down
and to focus on that means changing black culture to be academically oriented, because right now black culture is anti academic
and i do think education is key, but the issue was asked about fundamentals, so when i say education in the context of this thread, im talking about reading, writing and math, not necessarily higher education, although im a big proponent of that also, but fundamentally black people need to focus reading, writing and math at the k-12 levels, that is where things break down
and to focus on that means changing black culture to be academically oriented, because right now black culture is anti academic
He truly believes that black people have an actual disgust for reading writing and math.
He believes that because the rest of the world didn't create weapons of mass destruction like the Europeans - that the Europeans were both culturally and technologically light-years ahead of Africans and Asians in the 14-1600's.
He's never been to a majority black elementary school. He also is clueless about intergenerational poverty and the reasons why certain segments of society are struggling with early childhood education.
He also feels that group economics is a sideline issue to the main issue-- which apparently is black people throwing up in their mouths if someone speaks about anything educational.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
reading and writing is something that gets started at home, its part of ones culture not simply something that happens at school, it has to be started at home, something as simple as reading to kids is something that multiple studies have shown does not happen in black homes and it has a huge impact on education
so yeah a lot of black people do not develop reading and writing skills at home and they end up behind most people, the way to fix this is by addressing black culture
there are exceptions but generally speaking academics is not a fundamental part of black identity, in other words if you do bad in school for example will somebody question your blackness? no, because high academic standards is not part of the definition of being black
so when i say we have to change black culture to be more academic im saying we need to change the definition of what it means to be black ie a real nikka to include high academic standards, imo until that happens black people will always be behind
yes, during 14 and 1500s when europeans encountered africans, the europeans were way ahead of the africans in terms of science and technology, which allowed them to conquer the africans....i dont get what is the point of denying the obvious, what we need to to is learn from history and make sure we catch and supersede other groups in terms of technology
i went to a 99% black elementary school, but i dont see what that has to do with learning about intergenerational poverty, when i say we have to change the culture, intergenerational poverty is exactly why we have to change our culture, some parts of our culture and political structures that have been passed down are not conducive to economics or academics as claud anderson has pointed out, part of ending intergenerational poverty is addressing culture, specifically culture and attitudes toward academics
it depends what you means by group economics, if you mean increased trade and commerce among black people im down with that, if it means some cornball marxist gibberish, then im not down with it
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But this is wrong, there's no statistics that shows that black people aren't willing to learn in the same rate as other races. I can't see how you can generalize and say that there as an anti-academic culture in the black community. You're probably basing this of off low high school graduation rates but that doesn't disclose the OTHER major issues that are plaguing the community
I agree with u brah but I saw the discussion you guys had in the other thread and it went too far. Although I disagree with TWISMs generalizations and understanding of black problems, he is still on the same side; he wants the black community to progress and achieve a better position in society so I'll
him for that.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
im not sure what willing to learn means, everybody is willing to learn if they find it interesting enough, what about when its not interesting?
im talking about culture and identity and im saying in the black community there, as in every community, there exists a standard of what you are, in the black community being a real nikka (for lack of a better term) is widespread, and being a real nikka and high academic performance dont go together, if you disagree i dont know what to tell you
im basing that from what i seen from my own eyes, i dont need any statistics to tell me that
until we change the definition of a real nikka to include high academic performance black people will always be behind
and again IMO the fundamental issue is culture and education, those other issues stem from not addressing culture and education, im ot saying anything different then claude anderson, i just simply point to a different cause
but anybody with eyes can see that black people need to make some fundamental changes to our culture for us to grow
you missed some previous conversations where his main points were about dissing black youth and blaming the victims of misguided movements. I wasn't feeling that. I'm not feeling his romanticism of Western Imperialism. I'm feeling his revisionist and incomplete view on history - OR his idea that the sole reason for the European takeover of Africa was because they were more tech advanced and blacks were against education now and then. I'm not feeling any of that.I agree with u brah but I saw the discussion you guys had in the other thread and it went too far. Although I disagree with TWISMs generalizations and understanding of black problems, he is still on the same side; he wants the black community to progress and achieve a better position in society so I'll
But I feel u, lol, I guess it went to far. But it doesn't matter, he's not actually interested in actually doing anything to help black youth, so what does it matter.?? I took it far because that's how i am, I'm a grimy dude like that - but i'm not trying to be a role model- which is y I support my friends who are upstanding people, and support and invest in nonprofits..
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Willing to learn means striving to comprehend the standards in education that we have proclaimed as essential to progress which is reading, writing, and math. What's interesting and not is irrelevant in the early stages of life since those are the critical moments in you becoming successful so your parents, relatives, community, and teachers (preferably in that order) should be the ones to steer you in the right path.
A real nikka is a term of endearment within a criminal and/or poverty-striven environment, again, not solely exclusive to black people but to anyone involved in those acitivites/ living in those circumstances. It's only now that it has blown over to the mainstream and become a household term to disclaim your character due to hip hop, but the meaning has also changed. You see many rappers, radio personalities, comedians etc, stressing the point that real nikka has nothing to do with how you buss your gun, but instead that you stay true to yourself so doing well in school is being a real nikka.
Yes, black communities would benefit from having an overall better sentiment towards education but that is not what is SOLELY hindering black progress. I don't understand why you cannot see that. You love comparing us to white people like they value education more than us, they don't, which is prevalent in today's society where more and more cacs are dropping out of school and are more comfortable with living off their parents money. We do not have that comfort nor opportunity so to, again, exclude our social well-being is falsely committing to the same notion that is held by politicians who refuse to equal the playing field.
You are not simply pointing out a different cause, you are continuing to denounce all other causes and highlighting one minor issue which is why you have so many people on here disagreeing with you. That is also my beef with you, you're simplifying a complex problem.
Yea I probably did, haven't been able to write on the coli for a while. I haven't seen his historical viewpoints and if what you said above is true, then
. I guess I have to retract some of my praise then. To put any of our issues in historical context and not come to the conclusion that western interference hasn't hindered our progress and/or caused numerous issues in our state of being is sad, but again, I have to read up on his comment.You should try to be a role model though, since you're viewpoints are correct and the grimy personality can denounce the knowledge you are willing to share or stop people from listening.
IT mean increase spending and trade with other blacks. And that's what Anderson is talking about.
What I'm talking about is a full focus, as in every black adult thinking beyond themselves... and even helping the kids who's parents are sry as fukk - because the more of us that are stable the better our future generations are.
I really do feel that ur over-blowing the idea of being a real nikka. That shyt died ...... there are hoods and hood mentality, but you make it seem like blacks are inherently ignorant as fukk and anti-academic.... and been this way for thousands of years.
As far as technology, you can use the same level of technology to set up heart monitors as you would to create a laser that will burn your enemies skin off. Africans and Asians had the tech to create weapons and didn't. CAC got the technology from asians to innovate and create the most effective weapons. It was about circumstance and motive, not being anti science or advanced in tech. And I deal w black kids breah.... kids who had it rougher than me... They aren't anti-academic, You give a kid minimum attention and bam they magically are interested in anything you're feeding them. Poor people usually don't have the set up and home-life that others have, regardless of race.... since more black people are lower than American middle class standards - they are subjected to the fukkky that all poor people deal w.
But shyt is different for some people... kids i deal w are like 8/9. my son is 5 and is so far more advanced conceptually than these kids it's stupid. This is why economics are what corrects academic standards and not the other way around. Only a handful of hood kids will be successful at the rate we are going.
I allow my son to go to this private Christian
school - just because the program is the best around... 5 kids per class and off the hook teachers who seem like their pussies get wet from student success. So the majority of black kids aren't gonna have that opportunity. Because of all the other fukk shyt from being black in america + social economics + justice system + dependency mentality...........The only message that needs to be pushed is group economics, imo. Technology is only pushed by us and others because the average salary for most fields is good and will allow us to build.
Simply pushing education will led to nothing... a few nikka with physics and biology degrees who aren't financially stable enough to create real change for the masses.
naw, i like a demonic lifestyle until I'm at least 35.., . so
I have upstanding associates.
Black people didn't listen to Marcus Garvey. Black people didn't listen to Malcolm. What makes anyone think black people are gonna listen to Claude Anderson in 2013? Black people aren't about the collective. We subscribe more to the ideology of individualism more than anything. As long as were doing good personally, we don't care what happens anywhere else. People only talk about Claude Anderson in these pseudo discussions that lead to nowhere for the most part.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
FYI you just cosigned an entire video of a guy judging the entire black race
what economically oppressive idea is it that im promoting? capitalism? so you think black people should get into business but you are against capitalism? ok
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
im not sure what your point is tho
what i said is that black people need to change our culture to be academically oriented
like i said i used the term 'real nikka' for lack of a better term, but overall my point is that black identity is not connected to high academic performance
but again, what is your point of pointing out that people are trying to change what 'real nikka' means, according to your logic that is not important
in the video, anderson said that the FUNDAMENTAL problem in the black community is lack of business, i disagreed and said the FUNDAMENTAL problem is an anti academic culture
FUNDAMENTAL and SOLELY are 2 different words, please refrain from putting words in my mouth
im not simplifying a problem, im saying that a lot of problems arise from a lack of education, and I disagree in the strongest way that education is a minor issue, how on earth can education be a minor issue? its more fundamental then business because to do all the things anderson is suggestion requires a community that is functioning at high level in terms of literacy and currently that is not the case
for example if you want to know what is going on in detroit, this story tells you the fundamental thing that is driving detroit into the gutter http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/detroit-illiteracy-nearly-half-education_n_858307.html
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i dont know what this means, but IT and business are skills, just like sports or music, i agree that we need more people to go into those fields but i dont think those are things that everybody can do because point blank only people with certain skill sets or natural inclination can be good at that
and i dont feel comfortable with micro management, i think its important that black people get a good education and then they should do whatever the fuk they want to do as long as its legal
freedom, imagination and creativity are key things in being great and forcing people into certain fields can diminish those things
ok sure
the hood and the real nikka died??? really? when did that happen
what i said is that black people have an anti academic culture and we need to change it, i didnt say anything beyond that, i cant respond to what your imagination said that i said
any person that reads history would see that europeans were more advanced in technology and science than the africans
apparently you have never read a history book, i feel sorry for you and i apologize for having to be the one to break the news to you, but africans were behind, the europeans had ocean going ships and guns, the africans had none, its that simple, its that cut and dry
of course if you pay more attention to kids they develop better
like i mentioned already studies have shown that black parents dont read to their kids, im saying that parents need to read more to their kids
i understand that poor kids do not have a home structure but i also understand that the typical public school is not designed to handle poor kids with bad familiy structure that is why i suggest ending the public school system and starting a new system that is made up of independent charter schools and vouchers, this will create an opportunity for black educators to open up their own schools and open up options for black families
the only schools that have been shown to be successful are the ones that focus on culture, and the ones that dont will not be succesful and they will or should be shut down
i have no idea what this means, how does telling an anecdotal story about your son provide evidence that economics corrects academic standards?
anecdotes are not real evidence of anything
and i already told you its been proven that middle class black students perform worse than white students, in fact some have shown that middle class blacks perform worse than poor whites regardless of any anecdotes you come up with http://wesscholar.wesleyan.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1565&context=etd_hon_theses
what studies have shown is that early reading at home, homework and parental involvement are the keys to academic success, in other words culture
so the question is do rich kids perform better because of money or do rich kids perform better because their parents are more involved and more focused? im saying its the latter and so if the poor parents cannot provide the academic environment then we have to eliminate the public school system and create new schools that deal with poor kids that dont have an academic home environment, that is the logic behind my call to eliminate the public school system, its not an empty talking point, its a real idea that is already being implemented all over
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whenever i hear that another public school in the hood got shut downI allow my son to go to this private Christian
oh so you send your kid to private school but you think its wrong to give vouchers to people, ok i see, that isnt hypocritical at all
that is a meaningless phrase
Technology is only pushed by us and others because the average salary for most fields is good and will allow us to build.
Simply pushing education will led to nothing... a few nikka with physics and biology degrees who aren't financially stable enough to create real change for the masses.
the only thing i push in this thread is a strong K-12 education and learning how to read and write well and do math, that is fundamental
i think education itself creates wealth in and of itself and it creates the raw material to build a strong community
as far a career field, after getting a strong K-12 education and making high academic performance part of their identity, i think black students should do whatever the fuk they want to do and whatever floats their boat because freedom, creativity and imagination are key ingredients in developing a strong community
You are happy when public schools get shut down.i dont know what this means, but IT and business are skills, just like sports or music, i agree that we need more people to go into those fields but i dont think those are things that everybody can do because point blank only people with certain skill sets or natural inclination can be good at that
and i dont feel comfortable with micro management, i think its important that black people get a good education and then they should do whatever the fuk they want to do as long as its legal
freedom, imagination and creativity are key things in being great and forcing people into certain fields can diminish those things
ok sure
the hood and the real nikka died??? really? when did that happen
what i said is that black people have an anti academic culture and we need to change it, i didnt say anything beyond that, i cant respond to what your imagination said that i said
any person that reads history would see that europeans were more advanced in technology and science than the africans
apparently you have never read a history book, i feel sorry for you and i apologize for having to be the one to break the news to you, but africans were behind, the europeans had ocean going ships and guns, the africans had none, its that simple, its that cut and dry
of course if you pay more attention to kids they develop better
like i mentioned already studies have shown that black parents dont read to their kids, im saying that parents need to read more to their kids
i understand that poor kids do not have a home structure but i also understand that the typical public school is not designed to handle poor kids with bad familiy structure that is why i suggest ending the public school system and starting a new system that is made up of independent charter schools and vouchers, this will create an opportunity for black educators to open up their own schools and open up options for black families
the only schools that have been shown to be successful are the ones that focus on culture, and the ones that dont will not be succesful and they will or should be shut down
i have no idea what this means, how does telling an anecdotal story about your son provide evidence that economics corrects academic standards?
anecdotes are not real evidence of anything
and i already told you its been proven that middle class black students perform worse than white students, in fact some have shown that middle class blacks perform worse than poor whites regardless of any anecdotes you come up with http://wesscholar.wesleyan.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1565&context=etd_hon_theses
what studies have shown is that early reading at home, homework and parental involvement are the keys to academic success, in other words culture
so the question is do rich kids perform better because of money or do rich kids perform better because their parents are more involved and more focused? im saying its the latter and so if the poor parents cannot provide the academic environment then we have to eliminate the public school system and create new schools that deal with poor kids that dont have an academic home environment, that is the logic behind my call to eliminate the public school system, its not an empty talking point, its a real idea that is already being implemented all over
i
oh so you send your kid to private school but you think its wrong to give vouchers to people, ok i see, that isnt hypocritical at all
that is a meaningless phrase
the only thing i push in this thread is a strong K-12 education and learning how to read and write well and do math, that is fundamental
i think education itself creates wealth in and of itself and it creates the raw material to build a strong community
as far a career field, after getting a strong K-12 education and making high academic performance part of their identity, i think black students should do whatever the fuk they want to do and whatever floats their boat because freedom, creativity and imagination are key ingredients in developing a strong community
Your entire solution for the black community is reading is fundamental, lol.
You diss black youth.
You hype of western imperialism.
You talk ALL this shyt to people who actually do their parts - when you don't do shyt, but say random catch phrases about education.
And you're basically clueless.
And worst of all - you call decades of reseach and study on how social economic conditions, poverty, and social stigma can affect academic performance - "anecdotal evedence"
Damn, I wish I could be more like you.