I'm fine with people being deported if they've had a fair and speedy trial with all circumstances considered. I don't think that's happening now.
they're ordering more judges
I framed the situation as some asylum seekers being sent to deadly situations because it has happened, that's not every case but it is the case in some instances as people have been killed after being denied asylum and sent to their home country.
Sure, and thats terrible. But it dominates the conversation as if the middle east is literally central america
My point in bringing up the separate issue is that policy built on selfish emotion usually doesn't serve the greatest good.
Who said it was selfish and emotional? The southern border is the niceness of the USA being taken for granted. At some point America has to look at this and go, guys...whats going on? its been 40 years of this crap.
If we aren't trying to make things better then what the hell are we doing?
Well are you saying theres not an effort to not stand in the way of migrants flooding the USA?
Look what Vicente Fox said in 2005:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/14/fox.jackson/
We can't make a perfect world but we should be striving for a better one. What are some issues where you think things shouldn't get better for the next generation?
Lets keep this immigration
As for what I'm saying regarding aiding and abetting, we have people who cross the border to this country, which is a crime. These people would not be able to continue living in this country without the support of employers, these employers should be held accountable. If a few companies are very publicly bankrupted by fines and penalties imposed for these crimes other companies will stop taking those risks and people will stop crossing the border because of a lack of financial incentive. If a business can't survive without paying American citizens at least the minimum wage then it shouldn't be a business. The only argument against this is that businesses love cheap, disposable labor and government doesn't want to rock the boat against businesses.
I totally agree, but some industries handle it differently.
How Restaurants Hire Undocumented Workers
And i'm all for holding companies to account, but theres also a "supply" problem, not just a demand issue. People keep wanting to skip this.
It won't stop overstaying visas but that's a more manageable problem due to them being in the immigration system already. Those also aren't the people being made the face of the immigration issue and the ones that Republicans use as the target of their attacks on the issue.
I'm not denying this but only recently did visa overstays account for the majority of illegals. Theres still a lot of just blatantly undocumented people.
And remember, we're not just talking about illegal residents, with documentation, we're talking people who literally don't exist on paper.
I disagree that right wing populists will lose steam if Europe was to state that they would stop taking in more refugees. I think at that point they turn their attention to getting rid of the refugees that are already there and using them as a scapegoat for any problem that their supporters are facing. That's the strategy that is being used here and as you say it's about perception. Many of the states that supported Trump in his anti immigration stance have very small immigrant populations but they were sold on a problem they perceived to be real. The number of refugees isn't the problem, it's racism.
Look, right wingers are going to invent an issue whenever.
But the uncomfortable TRUTH is that there is a limit. We can debate that.
People have to be realistic. Did they really expect all refugees to get in here?
Did tehy really think there would be no backlash?
We're talking about Europe right now.
This is how popular opinion is managed. These people exist. You can't just ignore them. They're increasingly grabbing the reigns of power. You cant shame them out of existence at this point. We're past that point. Now you have to choke off the oxygen to this spreading wildfire.
Thread successfully derailed into yet another tired "my immigrant parents did it the right way" tirade.
She really needs to shut up and go far away. She's to blame for what we have now.
