Has the feminist movement made men less manly?

[wet landscapes]

I literally said it's not her fault. Like, fukkin word for word.

you said there was no fault
but she was being irresponsible

 

[Westcoastnative]

The radical side of feminism (manspreading, schrodinger's rapist etc) is what I'm staunchly against. I'm more of a egalitarian.

I don't think feminism is solely responsible for less manly men. There's many reasons.

 

[Remote]

you said there was no fault
but she was being irresponsible

Yes.
Do you not understand how both are possible?

Another car example.
A car crashes into you and you're not wearing your seatbelt.

You didn't cause the crash but you were also irresponsible.
Seriously, you can't be this clueless.

 

[wet landscapes]

Yes.
Do you not understand how both are possible?

Another car example.
A car crashes into you and you're not wearing your seatbelt.

You didn't cause the crash but you were also irresponsible.
Seriously, you can't be this clueless.

but this isn't a car crash
a dude found a drunk woman, took her to a place and penetrated her
no car intentionally crashes itself
no driver crashes themselves into anything on purpose
the intent to exploit isn't there in a car crash

keep acting like shyt like that isn't adding fuel to the fire and making "feminists" think that the only way they can coexist with men is by neutering them

 

[Remote]

but this isn't a car crash
a dude found a drunk woman, took her to a place and penetrated her
no car intentionally crashes itself
no driver crashes themselves into anything on purpose
the intent to exploit isn't there in a car crash

keep acting like shyt like that isn't adding fuel to the fire and making "feminists" think that the only way they can coexist with men is by neutering them

Obviously it's not a car crash, I'm showing you an example of how a person can be irresponsible at the same time that something bad happens to them.
Your inability to understand the connection is staggering.

 

[wet landscapes]

Obviously it's not a car crash, I'm showing you an example of how a person can be irresponsible at the same time that something bad happens to them.
Your inability to understand the connection is staggering.

so I was talking about apples
and you were talking about oranges

 

[Spatial Paradox]

Yes, alcoholism and violence, for one thing...have way too many social and economic variables to account for to put the blame squarely on "masculinity"

Men are a lot more likely to die from alcohol-related causes. Men make up the vast majority of victims of violence (and the majority of perps, but that's beside the point).

Correlation isn't causation. At the same time, why aren't more women dying from alcoholism? Why aren't more women dying violent deaths? Maybe it has something to do with certain aspects of "masculinity" and how society views masculinity

And setting up the premise that masculinity is defined by supression is just ridiculous. He's defining the term/concept to fit his argument.

I don't think the author was saying it's defined solely by suppression, but pointing out how we enforce that sort of thinking on men from the time they're young boys and it leads to all sorts of negative consequences.

But now I'm curious. Do you think suppressing (or to use a more common word, controlling) one's emotions isn't a defining aspect of masculinity?

 

[thirdeye]

the Feminist movement haven't made me more of a woman so how are men becoming less manly?

 

[PlainSight]

Do I think the feminist movement has made men less manly?

No.

I think the things we define as manhood and womanhood are undergoing analysis. I don't think that is bad. I have not had my masculinity diminished by feminism - I wasn't even aware about feminism too much until quite recently. Rather, I embrace my masculine energy and traits more now. However, it's helped me recognize that men and women as individuals are different rather than men being one way and women being another, and recognize that my experience of life differs wildly to that of most women I meet. One can be conscious of that without sacrificing your manhood, however you define it.

That's my take on it anyway

 

[awkwardblackgirl]

When in your life have you ever seen a feminist cape for a man on any level?

I'm a feminist and do not support women who demonize men.

 

[Mr.Plan B]

I have had with 2 women who was on the fem tip.

Once this big meat was in em that caved .........


So blah blah blah with all the im women here me roar shyt


Plus white feminist just use black feminist to power there movement.

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

whats with people who hate feminism being unable to pluralize the word "feminist"? "i have an unnatural love for drake, big sean and joggers" twitter seems to have a problem with that.

 

[philmonroe]

Its not just the danger of rape. Men today are indeed less manly. They dont know how to deal with rejection.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/08/womans-throat-slashed-after-rejecting-mans-advances/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/mary-spears-mark-dorch-detroit_n_6151152.html

These are extreme cases, but it's not unusual for dudes to follow women around ("u gotta be persistent") or get aggressive/angry when she doesnt present him the p*ssy on the spot ("fukk YOU bytch"). So they have good reason to be on guard.

Then on top of it, when they complain about it, clown ass nikkas like yourself are all too eager to marginalize their complaints or throw blame back on them. Its like you being annoyed or uncomfortable with the discussion is more important than their safety. But then nikkas wanna turn around and complain about systematic racism. Not realizing, you engage in the same power play of marginalizing less powerful groups. All your "stop complaining" bullshyt is the EXACT same thing racist CACs say to try and silence minorities. Is that what you want to do?

When and how can women talk about street harassment without making King @Raul angry?

Here you go using extremes and outliers as if that's the norm. Stop it man. You see that shyt with dudes saying a chick ain't shyt maybe 10-20% of the time at best. Even the persistence is like you sure and its mainly done. Dudes love hyping up the small shyt into big problems. People can talk about whatever issue they choose doesn't mean anybody has to agree with each other same way you don't agree with @Raul and I don't agree with you. So there we all can speak on something and not have to agree.

 

[mariahcooper]

I think its a contradiction because even if its the types you don't seem to care if,its the right type. If you can decipher what they are about from talking usually what is the big problem with them approaching? Are you that scarred somebody going to snatch you up a even though most people have never been anywhere close to getting snatched up? End of the day do whatever you need to to feel safe

i know it sounds crazy because you're a man but unfortunately i can relate. i get paranoid walking down the street in my neighborhood in the middle of the day. ive been followed home before and had a guy bang on my window like a lunatic. maybe perverts are the majority buts its way too many. im very petite so they see me as an easy target

 

[mariahcooper]

you don't have to avoid talking to women, just go to places where women are more likely to be willing to engage like a night club or a social event. women aren't damsels in distress waiting around to be approached by the best suitor, they're trying to get from point A to B without interruption, real life isn't like the movies where women are trying to get chose by the "fine brother" on the bread aisle, they're trying to get their groceries and make it back inside to their safety zone.

you're centering yourself yet again with the "come with basic respect" rhetoric, these women do not know your intentions and are probably not interested in finding out what they are, and a lot of the time the women who do give "the time of the day" are only doing so in fear of what the consequence might be if she doesn't.

I think women can definitely be hypocritical with this, they wouldn't mind an attractive man approaching them in public. its the men they don't find attractive that they dont want approaching them. I dont mind men approaching in public if they're interested in getting to know me but its all about the approach.