Has the feminist movement made men less manly?

[wet landscapes]

I do not support women who demonize men.

thissss!!!!

 

[Wild self]

It's an innate sense of knowing their place and accepting inferiority.

Can't beat the wolf? Go after the dog

Thats why they cannot be taken seriously. When white supremacy is done with feminism, they will fall in line.

 

[Bless't]

There are some real life forces at hand and some bullshyt.

Men are getting washed in the workplace and in higher education. There is evidence to show that part of this is a systematic failure that starts with grade school's inadequacy in managing male energy in formative years, writing it all off as "behavioral issues" instead of learning how to deal with it. Family courts and generally anything related to domestic law favors heavily towards women, even if the woman is in the wrong. So there are definitely some legitimate systematic issues out that need to be dealt with.

But to me, as a man, it seems more rational to deal with what is in my control, as a man. I can't wave a wand and fix the schools and the courts. And if I am going to make a serious effort to do so, I'm not gonna waste my time crying on a message board. Men are facing some issues but ultimately I think a lot of what is holding us back is our own poor choices.............

- We sleep with unworthy women with no protection, and then cry when we are tethered to them by the law when they have our children.
- We think with our dikks and act out in anger, and then claim to be rational and unaffected by emotion
- We willingly give ourselves into the traps of materialism to impress people we don't know who don't matter
- We don't take care of our bodies (see the obesity epidemic and all that comes with it)
- We talk a lot but don't really turn that talk into action

Etc. etc. Men are up against some odds, but ultimately, we are still men. If you give up control of your life, and leave its outcome to opportunistic thots, materialism, family courts, the justice system etc., is it really fair to blame them? Men seem to have forgotten the power and beauty of choice and self-autonomy. It makes me sick to my stomach reading all the dudes on here eagerly assuming the role of a victim to rationalize and excuplate themselves from their self created mediocrity.

 

[philmonroe]

Not sure why I didn't respond to this one earlier but one of the big things about feminism is that it goes to support men's rights and the general emotional health of men. Plainly, feminism is for everybody. There's even a book out there with that title.



But you're ultimately saying that she was at fault no matter how many times you say she wasn't. You were at a party doing normal things at a party. Did you expect to not be raped?

What you seem to be arguing for is what you're arguing against with another person. That women should be fearful of everyone they meet because they're in danger of being raped simply by being out doing regular things.



Don't we all have anecdotes, though? Like shyt you see as funny until you realize how fukked up it is.

When I was younger, long after the fact of the actual incidents, my sister would tell stories about how dudes would approach her on the street. She would never admit to being fearful but you could tell from the way she told her story that even when she didn't want to give out her number, not knowing what would happen pretty much forced her hand.

And she even told me a story once about a guy asking her friend for her number as she got off the bus and the dude grabbed the girls arm and dialed the number right then and there. At the time, I thought this was funny because what a silly thing to do. And I didn't realize why women gave out fake numbers other than they thought a dude was ugly. Only later, reflecting on stories like this did I see that being anywhere near guys like that is harmful.

And that's the thing. Nearly every girl you meet will have a story similar to those. It doesn't need extremes or outliers, the majority just needs to tell their stories without being dismissed.

Come on fam lets not start with the stupid obvious questions. Of course I do but my point is I don't try to make points with things that aren't the norm. I still disagree because for every story like yours I have one dismissing it so we still in the middle no offense. Are you saying we should only look at y'all version of what happens? That's what it seems like your getting at and I've said before women whether friends or family have never felt this way. Annoyed yes but fearful no. That doesn't mean it don't happen I'm just saying the clip it happens at from just living life seeing things isn't big from my pov. Hell most dudes scraarred to talk to chicks now everyone gripping girls up nah son.

So what percent of the time would it have to be for you to deem it enough of a problem to warrant talking about?

Again, why do YOU get to decide what the parameters of the discussion are?

Im a big picture person so it would have to happen a majority of the time for it to be worthy of talking about for me. I don't get to decide stupid. We just having a discussion on a messageboard and I'm giving my take on it like you yours. You can agree/disagree doesn't matter but end of the day its just a discussion not making laws so spare me with the "why do YOU get to decide parameters" when I've already said more than a few times even if I disagree with people's views they should do what they have to do to feel safe.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I think it hurt white men the most.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Yes it has, while at the same time encouraging cowardly and passive aggressive behavior.

Traditional values would have taught men to respect women, lead the house hold, take care of your seed and be the bread winner.

For some reason, I guess that makes some women feel like slaves or like they are trapped.

 

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Subs

 

[jwonder]

Does manly = thug?

In this day in age. It seems like it. fukk it. I've never been down with that whole Feminist bullshyt. Acting super gingerly. Watching every thing I say.

For some reason the US wants to make it a Matriarch type society. There are still plenty men out there that aren't following this agenda. It's just the media keeps pushing the Feminist crap down your throat.

 

[jwonder]

nikkaz growing up with no pops so men are too blame too for abandoning their kids. Gotta stop blaming all our problems on women and fix our shyt. They'll fall in line, were the leaders after all.

Nope. Plenty of people especially cacs grew up with both parents are ok with being that "She's the Sheriff" and "Yes Dear" dork.

 

[kevm3]

What 'feminism' and all of these other social engineered movements have done is remove the father figure from the household, and thus, remove 1/2 of the parenting equation, as well as removing the dispenser of masculine knowledge. In the absence of a male figure, a boy will seek a masculine presence, and some fall into 'hypermasculinity', aka gangs, etc., while others react in a feminine fashion. A few come out unscathed, but they probably had some other strong source of masculinity to depend on, whether it be an uncle or close family friend. You simply cannot strip fathers from homes and not expect dysfunction.

 

[old_timer]

at some point in time..
a significant fraction of men began to take a short-cut to masculinity
they wanted the trappings of it- the good stuff
(including easy access to women --->> sex)
but wanted to shirk any responsiiblity

it's easy to be a caricature of masculinity
so no surprise.. some men got over pretty good
it's like half-stepping with a plastic sword and shield
posing as a warrior
but slipping out the backdoor right before a battle

anyway, women felt robbed - and fought back
"we don't want these bytch-made phonies sitting at the feast table"
personally i don't have a problem with a woman making sure she is dealing with the legit man
i always encourage women to have a good (yet streamlined) vetting process

none of this stuff is going to impact a legit man

 

[lKarukera]

I'm not even going to bother reading this thread. Those threads bore me.

 

[DatMexican]

feminism is cancer

 

[Matt504]

but "feminism" is somehow to blame

 

[Matt504]

It's feminism's fault