Has the feminist movement made men less manly?

[Remote]

How was it irresponsible? Everyone at a party is there to get blitzed.
I feel like the dude in that situation is at fault. It isn't normal to want to victimize people like that. It isn't male behaviour to pick someone weak out of the crowd and take advantage of them. And yeah its wrong when women act like every man is out to do that but men claim those actions extremely willingly, when it isn't normal at all. Whenever a man is being aggressive or offensive, it's just being a man. When a dude lies, you should have known better. When a chick gets brutalized, she shouldn't have worn certain clothes or been vulnerable around men.

dudes cry about feminism but eat that "big bad man" shyt up and promote it too. You can't promote hypermasculinism and get offended by people classifying you as hypermasculine

By definition getting "blitzed" is behaving irresponsibly.

Open and shut case, Johnson.

 

[wet landscapes]

By definition getting "blitzed" is behaving irresponsibly.

Open and shut case, Johnson.

it's a fukking party
so if a bunch of dudes beat the shyt out of you at a party after you had been drinking, they aren't responsible for attacking you? Because you drank?

 

[Remote]

it's a fukking party
so if a bunch of dudes beat the shyt out of you at a party after you had been drinking, they aren't responsible for attacking you? Because you drank?

Like I said earlier.....

If you're at a party and a bunch of dudes beat the shyt out of you, they committed a crime and should go to jail.
And if you were drunk out of your mind, you behaved irresponsibly.

It's not your fault you got your ass kicked, but perhaps you could have avoided or prevented the situation had you been sober.


Now to circle back to my original post because I don't think you read it....

He committed a crime and should go to prison.
But she behaved reckless and while it's not her fault she was raped, she should have been more responsible in her actions.

I'm not sure how else I can explain it.
If you're driving your car and you're looking in the mirror too much...and a drunk driver crashes into you from the side and you never saw it coming.....that drunk driver committed a crime and should go to jail. And while you didn't exactly do anything illegal....maybe your eyes should have been on the road. It's not your FAULT, but you were a bit reckless.

That's what I'm saying.



How is this not getting through?

 

[Easy-E]

shytting on feminism makes you look disgusting, like you don't want women to be treated equally. Unless you actually don't want women to be treated like humans.

I hate to be that guy--coli men dont seem to like outspoken coli women--but, in what world r humans treated equally?

Heck, I think its high time for us black folk to stop fantasizing about white people treating us like children and cops stop assuming we're all dangerous.

Shoot, white woman make a disportionatley more than brown and black wmn. I hope that's on the agenda, first.

I agree with what feminism should, b. But, often they come off as if they r the only victims in the same issues as them (is black men top the unemployment rate, boy have the same body image, etc).

I'm just dialoging. I'm not trying to shut u down, sis

 

[Diondon]

Hasn't done shyt to me. There has been a concerted effort to effeminize men but I wouldn't blame feminism

 

[Ashley Banks]

I hate to be that guy--coli men dont seem to like outspoken coli women--but, in what world r humans treated equally?

Heck, I think its high time for us black folk to stop fantasizing about white people treating us like children and cops stop assuming we're all dangerous.

Shoot, white woman make a disportionatley more than brown and black wmn. I hope that's on the agenda, first.

I agree with what feminism should, b. But, often they come off as if they r the only victims in the same issues as them (is black men top the unemployment rate, boy have the same body image, etc).

I'm just dialoging. I'm not trying to shut u down, sis

lol, I have no problem with people having different opinions than me, I don't expect everyone to think like me. I only get annoyed when people shyt on other people's beliefs. I understand that other people have issues, I even help out with that. I've given 12 black men a job and put 2 into the same internship that I went through to get my job. I can sympathize with everyone and I help when I can. It just seems like a lot of men try to downplay the stuff women go through and it's really annoying.

 

[Easy-E]

It just seems like a lot of men try to downplay the stuff women go through and it's really annoying.

Both genders seem to have a problem with these issues. It's the internet and there's so many emotions involved. Brehs struggling with that paradigm shift. Not having what dad and grand dad had.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't think we're on the same page here.

I think it's okay to think something bad might happen depending on the situation.

If you're in a battle zone in Iraq, it's reasonable to think that you might get shot.
But if you're freaking out about getting shot at basketball practice in high school, well....come on.

Women don't realistically have any fear of being raped from a dude hitting on her on the corner of 35th and 2nd ave, breh.

Its not just the danger of rape. Men today are indeed less manly. They dont know how to deal with rejection.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/08/womans-throat-slashed-after-rejecting-mans-advances/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/mary-spears-mark-dorch-detroit_n_6151152.html

These are extreme cases, but it's not unusual for dudes to follow women around ("u gotta be persistent") or get aggressive/angry when she doesnt present him the p*ssy on the spot ("fukk YOU bytch"). So they have good reason to be on guard.

Then on top of it, when they complain about it, clown ass nikkas like yourself are all too eager to marginalize their complaints or throw blame back on them. Its like you being annoyed or uncomfortable with the discussion is more important than their safety. But then nikkas wanna turn around and complain about systematic racism. Not realizing, you engage in the same power play of marginalizing less powerful groups. All your "stop complaining" bullshyt is the EXACT same thing racist CACs say to try and silence minorities. Is that what you want to do?

When and how can women talk about street harassment without making King @Raul angry?

 

[Remote]

Its not just the danger of rape. Men today are indeed less manly. They dont know how to deal with rejection.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/08/womans-throat-slashed-after-rejecting-mans-advances/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/mary-spears-mark-dorch-detroit_n_6151152.html

These are extreme cases, but it's not unusual for dudes to follow women around ("u gotta be persistent") or get aggressive/angry when she doesnt present him the p*ssy on the spot ("fukk YOU bytch"). So they have good reason to be on guard.

Then on top of it, when they complain about it, clown ass nikkas like yourself are all too eager to marginalize their complaints or throw blame back on them. Its like you being annoyed or uncomfortable with the discussion is more important than their safety. But then nikkas wanna turn around and complain about systematic racism. Not realizing, you engage in the same power play of marginalizing less powerful groups. All your "stop complaining" bullshyt is the EXACT same thing racist CACs say to try and silence minorities. Is that what you want to do?

When and how can women talk about street harassment without making King @Raul angry?

I'm angry now?
Is that what you're going to do? Resort to the female tactic of taking a personal shot against me because you think I'm marginalizing women's concerns about safety?



Let's stick to the issue here, dude.

I'm not saying that women don't have a legit concern to be fearful.
What I am saying is that there's a time and place when that concern has more merit.

If you can't understand this, well,

 

[Ashley Banks]

I'm angry now?
Is that what you're going to do? Resort to the female tactic of taking a personal shot against me because you think I'm marginalizing women's concerns about safety?



Let's stick to the issue here, dude.

I'm not saying that women don't have a legit concern to be fearful.
What I am saying is that there's a time and place when that concern has more merit.

If you can't understand this, well,

so we're allowed to be afraid but only in situations that you think are acceptable?

 

[Remote]

so we're allowed to be afraid but only in situations that you think are acceptable?

I think we can come to a general consensus of what qualifies as a dangerous situation, can we not?

Or are we just going to let everyone determine what is danger and legislate off that?

 

[Spatial Paradox]

A lot of and posts in this thread. But I think this post nailed it:

No. Plain and simple.

What you're seeing are harmful aspects of traditional masculinity being pointed out as harmful. That's all there is to it.

Telling young boys to man up, mask their pain and basically hide any feelings that aren't considered masculine. It's widespread throughout a lot of cultures.

I don't think feminism is making men less "manly", but that (and some other societal changes that have nothing to do with feminism) are probably making people in general reevaluate "masculinity"


http://www.salon.com/2015/06/12/toxic_masculinity_is_killing_men_the_roots_of_male_trauma_partner/

I wonder what some of you have to say about this article

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I'm not saying that women don't have a legit concern to be fearful.
What I am saying is that there's a time and place when that concern has more merit.

Why do you get to decide where and when women can be concerned for their safety?

 

[Remote]

A lot of and posts in this thread. But I think this post nailed it:



I don't think feminism is making men less "manly", but that (and some other societal changes that have nothing to do with feminism) are probably making people in general reevaluate "masculinity"


http://www.salon.com/2015/06/12/toxic_masculinity_is_killing_men_the_roots_of_male_trauma_partner/

I wonder what some of you have to say about this article

Preposterous.
First, there are WAY...WAY too many variables to account for the things that he accuses causes the death of people.
And D, arguing that masculinity is about feeling supression is the biggest load of bullshyt in this thread so far.

The 1st part of your reply is interesting though.

 

[Remote]

Why do you get to decide where and when women can be concerned for their safety?

I think it's a collective effort.