holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
Gil loves his cac players and cac coaches
@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem
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That's funny considering I broke this board's love for Pop.Gil loves his cac players and cac coaches
Even more hilarious that your coli militant sensibilities couldn't override you defending Pop's honour.
My argument has already been proven, regardless of the result of this series. If you don't get it by now - you never will.
proven how? no one in their right mind would make this comparison. It's blasphemous
That's because you don't get it. And you never will.
no you don't get it. luka is a good young player. To compare him to arguably the greatest player ever after a season or so is dumb, Luka isn't even the best player TODAY.
This is why proper discussions on this board will never happen, cause cats like you are stuck on stupid. You can't differentiate between simple shyt of a player having more offensive impact in today's league (where post-play is obsolete and 3-pt shooting is prioritized), and someone being a better overall player or having a better resume/career. There's a difference.
It's not even fun anymore making y'all nikkas look stupid.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
So you never heard of "exception"?That's funny considering I broke this board's love for Pop.
Even more hilarious that your coli militant sensibilities couldn't override you defending Pop's honour.
Your history of white loving is noted around here
My argument has already been proven, regardless of the result of this series. If you don't get it by now - you never will.
SURE
A PRIME KAREEM ARGUABLY HAS THE GOAT OFFENSIVE IMPACT U FOOL
SO WHAT UR SAYIN IS THAT A 21 YEAR OLD POTENTIALLY HAS THE GOAT OFFENSIVE IMPACT
LOL
The offensive impact that Cap had in his prime wouldn't translate into today's climate - the game is different. I don't know why I need to keep reiterating this point. All the ATG bigs from previous eras wouldn't have the same impact in today's league because the game is strictly perimeter-orientated now, where the crux of offenses are all about spacing/3-pt shooting, because they've realized that 3 is worth more than 2.
See:
Nobody.
But as I need to keep pointing out, he's not going to have the same post-up opportunities in today's league, that he did in 70s, to utilize the hook shot. Luka has the control to shoot whenever he wants. And regardless of that, self-scoring only makes up a part of one's offensive impact; there's creation/playmaking for other players, there's dictating who touches the ball, there's what sets/actions the team runs, there's generation and maximization of runs, how much defensive attention they attract on every possession - all of that makes up one's offensive impact.
Seems I need to post this again:
"These are the top-10 teams in post-up volume:
Every single team except for the 76ers (whose post-up possessions only make up 12.7% of their total offensive possessions) barely use post-ups. This isn't the 70s when teams would use post-up actions on nearly every possession. This is why Cap (or any big man from the past) wouldn't have the same offensive impact in today's league because the game is different where it's centered around PnR and 3-pt shooting."
I don't see how anyone that's using their heads could argue against this.
U MOVIN THE GOAL POST .. ITS NOT ABOUT WHETHER HIS GAME WOULD TRANSLATE, ITS ABOUT THE OFFENSIVE IMPACT HE HAD IN HIS DAY. SO NO, LUKA DOESNT HAVE A BETTER OFFENSIVE IMPACT THAN PRIME KAREEM.
WERE IN AN ERA WHERE EVERY1 FROM DONOVAN MITCHELL TO DAMIAN LILLARD ARE DESTROYING RECORDS OF PLAYERS WHO WERE FAR BETTER. WHY? CUZ OFFENSE IS AS EASY AS ITS EVER BEEN. PERIOD.
Can you explain to me how I'm moving the goalposts when this is my initial statement -
How the fukk are you going to tell me what the argument was about when I was the one who started it in the first place? That post is why this thread was created in the first place.
I've been breaking down AD's game on this board for years now, and have long been trying to get folks to see his standing in the game, during times when nobody a fukk about the Pelicans nor watched their games. Don't come with this nonsense about what's preventing me from understanding his ability and impact.
You wasn't with me shootin' in the gym.
The point is: ball-handlers naturally have more offensive impact than players who don't primarily handle the ball, as they dictate what happens on offense. The only thing that AD has control over is scoring for himself, when the main ball-handler gives him the ball.
For all his skill and ability, he can't run an offense, or to be more specific, he's not used as a piece to run the offense, therefore, he can't control the tempo, playmaking and creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, when his teammates touch the ball, what actions/sets to run, when to generate and capitalize on runs etc. It's why the knock on his game has been centered around his "empty stats" whenever he doesn't make the playoffs, which isn't the case, at all, it's just that his impact and influence only extends so far on the offensive end.
All the impact he has on offense is through scoring for himself when he's given the ball, which as I said, is the same for nearly every single big man who doesn't run the offense, especially big men who aren't prolific from behind the arc, as the 3-ball gives players a impact-bump.
You put a prime Cap in the league right now and give him an identical support cast to Luka's (in relation to position), and he wouldn't be able to have the impact that Luka has on the offensive end.
Can you explain to me how I'm moving the goalposts when this is my initial statement -
How the fukk are you going to tell me what the argument was about when I was the one who started it in the first place? That post is why this thread was created in the first place.
GOIN BY WHAT THE TITLE OF THE THREAD SAYS
ITS SIMPLY WRONG
Luka is one hell of a player
Is that "exception" like you defending massa Pop, at all costs? I bet you've still got excuses on why he's been left behind. Don't tell me, you're gonna blame DeRozan and LMA....
