NaijaProdigy Redux
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How do you all have the energy to go back and forth with this guy? 
He will quote and argue with the entire thread for hours
He will quote and argue with the entire thread for hours
@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem
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That's why he's getting WOAT tag put on him soon.How do you all have the energy to go back and forth with this guy?
He will quote and argue with the entire thread for hours
Don’t make me dig up the posts
You have an unhealthy obsession with me. My name stays in your mouth. Every thread.Don’t make me dig up the posts
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Go get the receipts where I supposedly said “Luka Doncic is better than LeBron James.”
You do this every time you’re wrong. Which is quite often. Desperately move the goalposts and put words in other people’s mouths
I've been breaking down AD's game on this board for years now, and have long been trying to get folks to see his standing in the game, during times when nobody a fukk about the Pelicans nor watched their games. Don't come with this nonsense about what's preventing me from understanding his ability and impact.
You wasn't with me shootin' in the gym.
The point is: ball-handlers naturally have more offensive impact than players who don't primarily handle the ball, as they dictate what happens on offense. The only thing that AD has control over is scoring for himself, when the main ball-handler gives him the ball.
For all his skill and ability, he can't run an offense, or to be more specific, he's not used as a piece to run the offense, therefore, he can't control the tempo, playmaking and creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, when his teammates touch the ball, what actions/sets to run, when to generate and capitalize on runs etc. It's why the knock on his game has been centered around his "empty stats" whenever he doesn't make the playoffs, which isn't the case, at all, it's just that his impact and influence only extends so far on the offensive end.
All the impact he has on offense is through scoring for himself when he's given the ball, which as I said, is the same for nearly every single big man who doesn't run the offense, especially big men who aren't prolific from behind the arc, as the 3-ball gives players a impact-bump.
You put a prime Cap in the league right now and give him an identical support cast to Luka's (in relation to position), and he wouldn't be able to have the impact that Luka has on the offensive end.
Here's what you need to understand.
I'm talking about today's league.
Elite scorers (also prolific 3-pt shooters), who're the main ball-handlers, who run the offense, are naturally going to have more offensive impact than a big man who needs someone to give him the ball, and who're only effective in a certain area of the floor.
Let me just give you an example:
Cap touches the ball five out of 10 possessions, scores 1-2 buckets (two-pointers), and his actions lead to one scoring opportunity for his teammates
Luka touches the ball 10 out of 10 possessions, scores 2-3 buckets (one 3-pointer/one two-pointer), and his actions lead to five scoring opportunities, all the while managing the flow and running of the offense.
That does not make him automatically a better offensive player, and that does not make him a better overall player (defensive impact has to be taken into account) if they both existed in today's league.
I'm not talking about Cap's standing in history
I'm not talking about the defensive end
I'm not ignoring or downplaying any of those things.
My point was centered around what happens on the offensive side in today's league, as it relates to Anthony Davis, and how his offensive impact is limited due to the fact he doesn't control the offense. You know how a lot of folks would suggest that AD has empty stats when he wasn't leading his team to the playoffs or not getting far when he did make the playoffs? Well, it's got nothing to do with him having empty stats, and everything to do with the fact he only has limited influence and impact on offense.
Hasn't that been the most common criticism of AD been that he can't lead a team? Well, it's less to do with his self-ability/skill and performance, and everything to do with him not being able to control what happens on offense. The exact same thing would apply to Cap if he played today.
I'm illustrating a point on how big men like Anthony Davis' impact on offense is limited because he doesn't control the offense. The impact he has on that end is more centered around his own scoring (and that's only when his teammates chose to give him the ball), and less with anything else on that end. What better way to layer that point than to reference arguably the greatest and most decorated big man to ever play the game, and relate it to the impact he'd have in today's league.
Well, for starters, I don't know what the fukk 25 rebounds have to do with the offensive side of things (unless you think those rebounds would be predominantly on the offensive glass). Never mind the fact that it's not even remotely possible to average that amount of rebounds today.
Cap averaged 35 points on 25 shots, averaging 44 mins, in 1972, when the league-average pace was around 108-110 possessions
In 2019/2020 the league-average pace is only 101 possessions
Do you wanna explain to me how Cap would average 40 points in today's league where post-up play isn't as prioritized as it was in the 70s, and guards/wings have more control over what happens, and there aren't as many possessions? Do you really think that Cap would be putting up 25+ shots a game in today's league? Do you really think Cap would be playing 40+ mins in today's league, especially given the regularity of small-ball lineups, where teams use big men who can guard in space and on switches, rather than a traditional center like Cap?
Sooner or later we'll all see who the prophet is.And let me reiterate my point to anyone that runs up in here and tries to act what I'm stating is blasphemous:
"If anyone bothered to actually click on that post and read the context behind it, I'm talking about how in today's league, with the emphasis on 3-pt shooting, and how the lead ball-handler (who's also the main scorer) has more impact and influence on offense than a big man does.
Folks have shytted on Anthony Davis for not being able to lead a team, but it's more to do with the fact that he's a big man, and can't lead a team (on offense) like a LeBron, Luka, Steph etc
If you're not the main ball-handler and/or you're not a prolific 3-pt shooter, you're going to have limited impact on offense, today. That's the state of the game now."
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"My point was centered around what happens on the offensive side in today's league, as it relates to Anthony Davis, and how his offensive impact is limited due to the fact he doesn't control the offense. You know how a lot of folks would suggest that AD has empty stats when he wasn't leading his team to the playoffs or not getting far when he did make the playoffs? Well, it's got nothing to do with him having empty stats, and everything to do with the fact he only has limited influence and impact on offense.
Hasn't that been the most common criticism of AD, that he can't lead a team? Well, it's less to do with his self-ability/skill and performance, and everything to do with him not being able to control what happens on offense. The exact same thing would apply to Cap if he played today."
Big men today simply don't have the impact, influence and importance (on offense) that they did in the past.
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@Gil Scott-Heroin has been wrong so many times and lost so many debates on here he’s finally lost his mind .
He’s gotta be front runner for Coliseum’s woat at this point
gil scott the woat
Dude dumb as rocks been said this tho
This dude gotta be trolling
Luka has more offensive impact than all
the all time scoring leader.
He must have a personal grudge against KAJ.
@Gil Scott-Heroin truly is mentally ill and needs help. First curry more impact than Jordan now this trash
This probably isn't even the dumbest shyt @Gil Scott-Heroin has said this week though.Glad I blocked that fakkit.
He better win woat this year
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Luka has a bigger offensive impact than the number one person in scoring history 
the illogical bytch is back @Gil Scott-Heroin
the illogical bytch is back @Gil Scott-Heroin
@Gil Scott-Heroin DONT DISAPPEAR AFTER CLIPPERS WIN THE NEXT 2 BRODIE
My argument has already been proven, regardless of the result of this series. If you don't get it by now - you never will.
