@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem

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Cap is a TRANSCENDENT player. It does not matter what ERA he plays in, the rules, the pace, etc.. etc.. He's eating and he's going to put up monster stats.
Nobody is arguing that he's not, he just wouldn't be as impactful (offensively) in today's game like he was in the 70s. The game has changed where it's more perimeter play. I don't know why this is so hard to acknowledge?

Stop throwing these vague statements out there as if they mean anything.

He's not playing 40+ minutes and he's not getting all the post touches like he did in the 70s. It's as simple as that.
 
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Doing ding ding. When you're all time great, you do what you want. Period.
It's not as simple as that.

Cap doesn't handle the ball, so he can't just go and do what he wants. If he's not getting touches (to the approximation that he did during a time when teams predominantly ran post-plays), how is he supposed to do what he wants?

In a manner of speaking, ball-handlers can do what they want, but big men who don't run/control the offense can't.

Y'all nikkas treat the game as if it's a comic-book, and the players are these superheroes who transcend all reason and reality to live up this image that you have in your heads.
 
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There isnt any fukking nuance. Making the statement that luka is more impactful than KAJ is purely made for reactions.
The nerve of you to post this bullshyt, when you ran in this thread and immediately referenced Cap's box score #s without any regards to any sort of context.

No mention that the pace during that season had considerably more possessions than today, no mention that season had weaker predecession, and no mention that season had heavy post-play. You referenced stats that would not carry over in this era because they game has changed. Never mind the fact, the game doesn't exist in the box score. How many times do I need to tell you this? Stop letting box score stats dictate what you see on the floor.

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I've gone into detail about the "nuance" of why Cap wouldn't have the same degree of impact in today's game, that he did during his time in the league. In multiple threads. And I've spoken about this topic for a while now. Again, this is all in relation to big men, in general, as it applies to AD, in today's game, who would've had more offensive impact when the league was more big man-orientated, and not today, where guards/wings have higher sovereignty.

It's the same for Luka, who wouldn't have the exact same offensive impact he has in today's game, if he played in a more specialized role in a past era (particularly during a time when the game ran through big men).

Players don't just automatically have the same impact and influence no matter what era they play in. That is the point I'm trying to state here.

We all know bigs dont get more touches than guards. That's common sense, even when KAJ played with Magic, so what is the point of making that claim other than to try and use the word impact to prop up today's era? Yall dudes still dont see through the bullshyt. Smh
We all know bigs dont get more touches than guards. That's common sense, even when KAJ played with Magic?

If that's common sense, than why the fukk did you post this nonsense:
He'd average 35/15/7 with 4 blks in this era, minimum.
If you're gonna dumb this shyt down to box score stats, these are his when he played with Magic (period during his prime):

24 points
9 rebounds
3 assists
35 minutes

The league-average pace over these seasons was 102 possessions (more than today), and again, this is during a time where offense played inside-out.

Now do you wanna tell me how the fukk you came to the conclusion that Cap would average 11 more points, 6 more rebounds, and 4 more assists (all of which you said are at a minimum), in an era with less possessions, better defensive schemes, greater pool of talent and more variable lineups, as well as having considerably less opportunities to touch the ball while he was on court, given the perimeter based-play of today's league?

What you're saying is theoretically impossible.

Impact is not code for anything other than just that; the impact he had during his time would not be the same in today's league. That doesn't take anything away from what he proved during his time, and his legacy as a player, it only speaks to how the game is different now, from where it once was, and you have to evaluate players differently because of it.

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kareem is erasing a healthy portion of the opponents score & he's getting a bucket every touch in the paint that sounds like impact*
 

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So something like passing out of a double team isn’t creating scoring opportunities? You’re a true casual. Absolutely WOAT status. You have no idea how basketball is played.

I’m waiting on the Luka is better/more impactful than Jordan thread. @Codeine Fiend Dream Team already said he’s better than Lebron so might as well jump all the way out the window :mjlol:

wait

what

better than lebron? :dead:
 

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It's not as simple as that.

Cap doesn't handle the ball, so he can't just go and do what he wants. If he's not getting touches (to the approximation that he did during a time when teams predominantly ran post-plays), how is he supposed to do what he wants?

In a manner of speaking, ball-handlers can do what they want, but big men who don't run/control the offense can't.

Y'all nikkas treat the game as if it's a comic-book, and the players are these superheroes who transcend all reason and reality to live up this image that you have in your heads.
Hey genius if you are the ball handler and you have Kareem in the post against these sorry so called big men nowadays do you know what you better do. FEED THE POST for the easy bucket or pass out from Kareem or sit cho ass on the bench.
 
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