@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem

[malbaker86]

It's funny because @Gil Scott-Heroin is saying what you all have been saying but since he used what yall deem as extreme examples (his point could have been made with Ayton and Luka), yall automatically arguing the players and not the argument itself.

 

[mastermind]

It's funny because @Gil Scott-Heroin is saying what you all have been saying but since he used what yall deem as extreme examples (his point could have been made with Ayton and Luka), yall automatically arguing the players and not the argument itself.

Most of these posters are mouth breathers

 

[Remote]

Is that "exception" like you defending massa Pop, at all costs? I bet you've still got excuses on why he's been left behind. Don't tell me, you're gonna blame DeRozan and LMA....

We can talk about whether Popovich's antipathy toward the 3 point shooting game is indicative that his strategies are a mistake or if he's actually a dinosaur to whom the game has passed by. I think you made a good argument against his strategies the last 2-3 years. And we can talk about whether he was hindered by roster or not.
But I don't think Pop deserves that slave owner connotation.

You could just be trolling for effect but I'm saying...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's funny because @Gil Scott-Heroin is saying what you all have been saying but since he used what yall deem as extreme examples (his point could have been made with Ayton and Luka), yall automatically arguing the players and not the argument itself.

Since I was defending AD, I had to use an extremity; Ayton wouldn't have sufficed.

All I was doing was defending bigs in today's league from unwarranted criticism. Folks shytting on the likes of Embiid and AD for not having success leading their respective teams, but the same would apply to all-time great bigs of previous eras if they played in this era. They simply wouldn't have the same impact on offense as they did during their day.

AD's lack of success isn't because he isn't a great player - he's just a casualty of the era he's playing in.

It's the very reason why I used Cap as a reference point in the first place. Because he's the best of the best, and even he wouldn't dominate like he did during the 70s/80s.

We can talk about whether Popovich's antipathy toward the 3 point shooting game is indicative that his strategies are a mistake or if he's actually a dinosaur to whom the game has passed by. I think you made a good argument against his strategies the last 2-3 years. And we can talk about whether he was hindered by roster or not.
But I don't think Pop deserves that slave owner connotation.

You could just be trolling for effect but I'm saying...

I'm only trolling for effect, my bro. I'm simply getting holidayinn21 to look in the mirror before he throws stones from that glass house he's in.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's like I was saying in another thread: if AD and Embiid came up in the 80s/90s, where the game was more inside-out, they would've ran shyt, just not in this era where they take a backseat to ball-handlers and 3-pt shooting.

 

[malbaker86]

It's like I was saying in another thread: if AD and Embiid came up in the 80s/90s, where the game was more inside-out, they would've ran shyt, just not in this era where they take a backseat to ball-handlers and 3-pt shooting.

What about Jokic impact?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What about Jokic impact?

He's an exception cause he can run an offense. But unfortunately, a lot of that gets washed out with his lack of defensive impact.

 

[KOBE]

This is still a dumb ass take and idk why you tagged me.

Mitchell is averaging 40 a game. Stats are inflated in this era.

 

[EBK String]

@Gil Scott-Heroin has the woat bball takes. nikka is the Skip Bayless of the coli, probably averaged 1.2 ppg in high school and swear he is an expert.

 

[Techniec]

The flaw to this argument, well argued as it may be, is that it's premised on the idea that due to today's game, Kareem wouldn't get the touches he needs and when he does, his impact is limited to his own scoring

As others have brought up, it doesn't matter what the climate is, if I have prime Kareem on my team now, he's getting all the touches. It's that simple. He's not no God damn Joel Embid. He would be the best player in the league, with no true peer at his position. Why wouldn't he constantly be fed?

And once he has the ball, he's either gonna chump whoever is guarding him or draw the double and find the open shooter.

You literally just need a competent ball handler who can get him the ball. It's not difficult to get Kareem the ball in the paint.

 

[010101]

38'387*

 

[VegasCAC]

@Gil Scott-Heroin has the woat bball takes. nikka is the Skip Bayless of the coli, probably averaged 1.2 ppg in high school and swear he is an expert.

I averaged that and 4 fouls a game in High school

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The flaw to this argument, well argued as it may be, is that it's premised on the idea that due to today's game, Kareem wouldn't get the touches he needs and when he does, his impact is limited to his own scoring

As others have brought up, it doesn't matter what the climate is, if I have prime Kareem on my team now, he's getting all the touches. It's that simple. He's not no God damn Joel Embid. He would be the best player in the league, with no true peer at his position. Why wouldn't he constantly be fed?

And once he has the ball, he's either gonna chump whoever is guarding him or draw the double and find the open shooter.

You literally just need a competent ball handler who can get him the ball. It's not difficult to get Kareem the ball in the paint.

Here's the problem with this:

It's proven that post-up plays are less effective/efficient than running PnR; it's proven that 3s are worth more than 2s. Cap's advantage when he was playing was that he was fighting with high-percentages 2s against low-percentage 2s - that's why bigs were never at an efficiency deficient. It's like if there was no 3-pt line, then that's when the pendulum would swing back in the bigs' favour.

The poorest shooting team's 3-pt efficiency is equal to that of a team hitting 2s at 50%. That's what bigs of previous eras would have to compete against. Teams know that they'll never be able to replicate that by running an inside-out offense, which is why almost every single team priortizes the 3-pt shot. You can't do that with the staple of your offense being post-ups. And while Cap was a good passer/playmaker, he wasn't even comparable to the playmaking guards/wings we have today. You'd only be hustling backwards if you let Cap run your offense against the likes of Bron, Steph, Harden, Doncic etc.

Teams would gladly trade Cap post-ups for PnR/3s down the other end. They'd come out on top nearly every single time.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

38'387*

This is the second time you've referenced this. This ain't got anything to with Cap's career. That's solidified. This is about the impact (or lack thereof) that bigs have on offense in today's climate. You know this.

 

[010101]

This is the second time you've referenced this. This ain't got anything to with Cap's career. That's solidified. This is about the impact (or lack thereof) that bigs have on offense in today's climate. You know this.

so say that & leave the goat out the convo*