"DJ Hollywood and his crowd were the first rapping to the beat, not Herc's crowd" - Melle Mel

[K.O.N.Y]

@IllmaticDelta posted a source earlier itt that mentioned the isolation of the bronx was why they had the time and space to put the pillars together. But that Harlem was the stage. Where they presented hip hop to the world, established the flashiness of hip hop, etc.

remember the bronx had a funk disco dj foundation before herc as well

With disco king mario, dj jones etc

 

[Asicz]

Russell Simmons on DJ Hollywood significance

 

[Low End Derrick]

Get that Jamaican fraud outta here.

#ADOS gang run the world!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

but the glue that brought everything together to create hip hop as we know it=bronx

First modern rappers= bronx

right?

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right?

Bronx was where all of the styles combined to form a subculture that became hiphop + the gang culture (black spades for example were founded in bronxdale)

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the bronx guys openly admit to the queens guys having the soundsystem game on smash lol

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[IllmaticDelta]

Disco and Hip-hop weren't really different. Most "Hip-hop" parties had the same tunes as the Disco parties. Except for certain 'Break' records, which were extended for the dancers and emcees.
But don't think Hip-hop parties was a 3/4 hour sessions off Break records.

Also folks really gotta understand what Disco was in the Black communities. It was records that had tempo, and certain swing.

This was a big record in the Black Disco world.

exactly: Funk/Disco and early HipHop (the funk/disco tunes before HipHop actually started making its own sounds) only diverged musically when you compared the most extreme ends of the spectrum. For example

Funk



vs Hustle Disco



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but pretty much anything inbetween overlapped





^^was played at Discos and HipHop/bboy battles

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Bronx was where all of the styles combined to form a subculture that became hiphop + the gang culture (black spades for example were founded in bronxdale)

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the bronx guys openly admit to the queens guys having the soundsystem game on smash lol

Spoiler

 

[Asicz]

Russell Simmons in that clip I posted and in his autobiography 'Life and Def' (2002) gives DJ Hollywood big props

 

[Asicz]

Rap Historian Dart Adams mentions DJ Hollywood erasure from 'The Get Down' on Netflix. He is replaced by a fictional character DJ Malibu and killed off.

Also says Grandmaster Flash was involved with the show and centers himself while erasing others he may have had issues with from back in the day
'The Get Down' takes place circa 1977.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The message is the first fully realized non party focused

Fatback Band was first and rapping isn't just 'non-party'.......

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hip hop and rap fully depended on that transition

No, it didn't. Listen to the Treacherous Three, The Funky Four + 1, Busy Bee, Grandmaster Caz, the Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, etc.

Hip hop/rap was (and mostly still is) about partying.

As far as your first question, if I'm not mistaken, Hollywood did something innovative (at the time) by reciting the words to a Barry White song over a beat at a party similar to this scene in Beat Street....



......but he did it back in the 70's.​

 

[Bondye Vodou]

^^The real pioneer/godfather

 

[IllmaticDelta]

what song?

The message is the first fully realized non party focused

Where there was subject matter that focused on the streets and not partying

hip hop and rap fully depended on that transition

Hollywood is the first modern rapper and is the template for that OG party MC style (which also happens to be the first rapping style and you can hear it in Luvbug Starski, Busy B, Kurtis Blow and Doug E fresh)




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Melle Mel and/or Caz took the MC to its more serious state by easing out the party essence (The Message)

Kool Moe D made the rapper technical (see battle between Busy B and himself)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

funk/disco breaks are the beginning of HipHop musically but HipHip doesn't become a genre unto itself w/o Rapping....If you take the rapping out early HipHop, it's 100% funk and disco








there is no HipHop w/o the rapper; the scene jams would have died in the 1970s if the rapper wasn't born

listen to the so-called "disco" guys explain this reality to you all

 

[IllmaticDelta]

article in billboard from the late 1970s that I ran across

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

that's cool and all but how do you explain Pigmeat Markham? Dude was rappin rappin

 

[Why-Fi]

that's cool and all but how do you explain Pigmeat Markham? Dude was rappin rappin

crazy you said that now, i was just telling my girl not 20 minutes ago that one of the snippets from dmx new album sounds like here comes the judge