"DJ Hollywood and his crowd were the first rapping to the beat, not Herc's crowd" - Melle Mel
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Coke La Rock describing what he did said on the mic (it was basically shout outs, acknowledging people in the crowd and slick talk but no actual syncopation)
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Early mc/bboy/graf/flyer maker in 1970s hiphop who was once down with Herc and could be seen in the movie "Beat Street": Sisco Kid
his thoughts (he's says in the Herc scene, they didn't rap but were doing shout outs with slick talk. He says the first time he saw/heard Rapping (syncopated) was from Luv Bug Starski. As I already mentioned, Luv Bug Starki started rapping after he saw Dj Hollywood and later ran with Pete Dj Jones/Eddie Cheeba/Dj Hollywood)
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Early mc/bboy/graf/flyer maker in 1970s hiphop who was once down with Herc and could be seen in the movie "Beat Street": Sisco Kid
his thoughts (he's says in the Herc scene, they didn't rap but were doing shout outs with slick talk. He says the first time he saw/heard Rapping (syncopated) was from Luv Bug Starski. As I already mentioned, Luv Bug Starki started rapping after he saw Dj Hollywood and later ran with Pete Dj Jones/Eddie Cheeba/Dj Hollywood)
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I just seen a video on Michaelwaynetv that confirms what I’ve been thinking. Coke la rock said “Clark Kent”, and “Timmy T” wasn’t at the first Jam of Kool Herc. This means the flyer we use as proof of the first hip hop jam, is a LIE!
We have been tricked about August 11, 1973 being the day Herc started hip hop
If you notice in the video, the flyer for that party was done on an index card!
If you listen to “Phase”, it all makes sense, we were lied to with this Kool Herc story!
I just seen a video on Michaelwaynetv that confirms what I’ve been thinking. Coke la rock said “Clark Kent”, and “Timmy T” wasn’t at the first Jam of Kool Herc. This means the flyer we use as proof of the first hip hop jam, is a LIE!
We have been tricked about August 11, 1973 being the day Herc started hip hop
If you notice in the video, the flyer for that party was done on an index card!
If you listen to “Phase”, it all makes sense, we were lied to with this Kool Herc story!
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Yup. I've come to conclusion that, that card was doctored lol. Coke La Rock has mentioned numerous times that most of people claiming they were there at the party in 1973 weren't actually there. I made a post about it here
A comprehensive guide to the origin/roots of HipHop's elements (all verified facts w/ OG interviews)
An often repeated myth: HipHop was diametrically opposed to Disco music/culture This couldn't be any further from the truth. What came to be HipHop from a musical POV was 100% modeled after Disco Club culture; specifically, the black overground Disco culture. The problem is, when we hear the...
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repost of what I posted:
Question 1) Was this flyer doctored? The Klark K (bboy and then a dj) at the bottom is Clark Kent who Coke La Rock says wasn't at that party or even part of the crew at that time. He says most people that claimed to have been at that party are lying
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Zulu Nation even called out Herc on that 1973 party by stating that there were no bboys, mcs or HipHop of any nature being done at that party. If you can read/listen to Herc's own associates who ran with him back then (Clart keny, Coke La Roc, N1qqa Twins, Trixie, Sasa etc...), they basically cosign the naysayers!
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Since the 1980s, this story of the so-called "start of hiphop" has taken on a mythic status but exactly how much of it is true? Were the hallmarks of what we now think of as hiphop from rappers, bboys, to 2 turntable + 2 copies of the record, djing actually being done at this party? I don't know if yall are aware of this, but Bambatta/Zulu nation said the claim of that party being the birth of the culture is straight bogus!
Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture
Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture
Yup. I've come to conclusion that, that card was doctored lol. Coke La Rock has mentioned numerous times that most of people claiming they were there at the party in 1973 weren't actually there. I made a post about it here
A comprehensive guide to the origin/roots of HipHop's elements (all verified facts w/ OG interviews)
An often repeated myth: HipHop was diametrically opposed to Disco music/culture This couldn't be any further from the truth. What came to be HipHop from a musical POV was 100% modeled after Disco Club culture; specifically, the black overground Disco culture. The problem is, when we hear the...
repost of what I posted:
Question 1) Was this flyer doctored? The Klark K (bboy and then a dj) at the bottom is Clark Kent who Coke La Rock says wasn't at that party or even part of the crew at that time. He says most people that claimed to have been at that party are lying
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Zulu Nation even called out Herc on that 1973 party by stating that there were no bboys, mcs or HipHop of any nature being done at that party. If you can read/listen to Herc's own associates who ran with him back then (Clart keny, Coke La Roc, N1qqa Twins, Trixie, Sasa etc...), they basically cosign the naysayers!
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Repost:
Since the 1980s, this story of the so-called "start of hiphop" has taken on a mythic status but exactly how much of it is true? Were the hallmarks of what we now think of as hiphop from rappers, bboys, to 2 turntable + 2 copies of the record, djing actually being done at this party? I don't know if yall are aware of this, but Bambatta/Zulu nation said the claim of that party being the birth of the culture is straight bogus!
Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture
Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture
You are the Yoda of this Hip Hop shyt!
All of us need to praise you, including Tariq Nasheed(he is on here) cause you were the FIRST putting us onto the truth
As usual, I SALUTE YOU!
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