Conversations thecoli ain’t ready to have ?

[Seoul Gleou]

Not even close to true

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I’ll start.

People from other races aren’t scared to stand up to or fight black people anymore

Can we be honest… between slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall plights and conditions we’ve faced in this country, have these other races truly ever been scared of us retaliating, fighting back, or standing up to them and demanding change? I hate to say it, but people don’t respect us, fear us, or care for us, and it’s been ongoing. We haven’t taken the action that would give them a reason to truly fear us and respect us.

 

[JUSTIN HERBERT]

Can we be honest… between slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall plights and conditions we’ve faced in this country, have these other races truly ever been scared of us retaliating, fighting back, or standing up to them and demanding change? I hate to say it, but people don’t respect us, fear us, or care for us, and it’s been ongoing, it never was not the case.

Have some cot damn respect for yourself jeezus

 

[Bushmaster69]

what's going down in 2030 ??

There is a huge paradigm shift occurring amongst different groups. Authoritarianism is at an all time high. I go to the gun ranges and I see asians, whites, Hispanics, Indians, but no Black people training.

Some major shyt always happens every 10 or so years it seems, and Black people as a collective are unprepared.

If something were to happen right now( war, famine, civil breakdown), Black people will need to beg other groups for refuge/help.

Y'all don't see something wrong with this picture?

 

[CarmelBarbie]

Have some cot damn respect for yourself jeezus

This is about unpopular conversations… if whites did respect and fear us than they wouldn’t do half the shyt they’ve done since we were brought to this country.

 

[Wild self]

I agree: How would you begin the steps to correct that?

A lot of the off code behavior is due to simping to "exotical" women that are racially ambiguous as well as being hypocrites on the "stop hating he getting money" mentality.

 

[Wild self]

And this is Black people's fault because the newer generation, who were not raised to be tough men, allowed these other groups to becomer ecklessly around us.

Black men need to take back our position as the main leaders amongst our people by force.

Also, too many slick shows/commercials showing weak Black men, and Black women with other groups of men.

Brehs here joke about this shyt, and treat it like it isn't serious. Watch you me, come 2030s, y'all will be regretting it.

Problem is, being the thoroughbred tough gangsta Tupac trope from the 90s crack era is now PLAYED out and predictable. That's the problem with being the scary black man that doesn't evolve nor innovate on behavior: eventually your opps will study you and predict all of your moves.

 

[Paradoxx]

Also if some of you dudes had the chance, you would happily oppress other black people because they aren’t exactly like you

 

[Bushmaster69]

Problem is, being the thoroughbred tough gangsta Tupac trope from the 90s crack era is now PLAYED out and predictable. That's the problem with being the scary black man that doesn't evolve nor innovate on behavior: eventually your opps will study you and predict all of your moves.

I want us to return to Stern, Educated, Battle Ready, and Graceful types of Black men we once were during the 60s.

Forget all that street nikka, gangsta, gunman shyt. That's not what I'm referring to, or want us to be.

 

[invalid]

The whole black first thing only really works for straight black men, Black women and black LGBTQ people deal with other issues besides racism.

This actually made me see the problems with and limitations of identity politics.

On a micro-level, Black first should be a unifier, but because the fault lines have become so stark with other black identities, trying to address macro-black issues can take a back seat to black identity-level issues. For instance, how can we possibly address black trans violence if we haven't even addressed a much bigger problem, black on black (specifically male) violence? One has to be prioritized over the other because one precedes the other. The issue then becomes the prioritization of one identity over the other creating disunity because now one identity feels side-lined over the other.

Look at black lives matter. The catalyst of the formation of the organization was over police brutality, which, if we were to look at through an intersectional lens, historically, and in more contemporary times, overwhelmingly was a black male issue (obviously I'm not denying that black women and LGBT have not been affected). However funding to the organization has been diverted to many LGBT and trans efforts as opposed to those of black males.

Identities are creating fault lines that make it hard for unity to prevail. And we cannot neglect unity. Unity is a necessity for the good of a any community or society.

Now imagine the issues that were seeing on a micro black level, and imagine how this is playing out on a national level.

Black issues are taking a back seat to a wide range of Feminist, LGBT, Latino/Hispanic, and Asian issues. Black people are becoming bitter because there is no unity amongst these minority identified groups, only each group prioritizing their own issues at the expense of black people.

Even more broader than that, there are critical issues that are affecting the entirety of our country; employment, environmentalism, infrastructure, healthcare, education, privatization, to name a few, and the various identities of this country are calling for our national leaders to address these issues through the prisms of their own specific identities. Addressing healthcare becomes addressing black specific healthcare disparities. Addressing employment becomes addressing issues facing undocumented Latino workers. And again, prioritizing one identity for the other creates disunity on a national/societal level. Even look at how student loan forgiveness has been politicized around "identities".

I'm not saying there are no benefits to identity politics. But there are certainly limitations and we're seeing those limitations real time.

And this is a problem that comes out of western philosophical ideas around liberty and freedom and what we should prioritize, the good of the individual vs. the good of society.

For any society to be held together, the good of society has to prevail. And yes, that means some people/groups/identities will have to take a back seat. Otherwise, if we're prioritizing the individual over the cohesiveness of the whole, that society is bound to crumble.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

if you'd fucc a stud, you are not from harlem

*are

 

[JUSTIN HERBERT]

aight i got 1

The way yall (the coli) think n type


If you were born white as fukk would you be just another racist cracker??

i mean. Yall hate immigrants, hate modern rap, hate any multi cultural shyt like interracial couples, etc.

Yall would be on that side

 

[DaMos Supreme]

Bait threads like these always bring them out ironically.

It’s the OP’s MO. I was wondering if someone was going to mention it in here

 

[Paradoxx]

This actually made me see the problems with and limitations of identity politics.

On a micro-level, Black first should be a unifier, but because the fault lines have become so stark with other black identities, trying to address macro-black issues can take a back seat to black identity-level issues. For instance, how can we possibly address black trans violence if we haven't even addressed a much bigger problem, black on black (specifically male) violence? One has to be prioritized over the other because one precedes the other. The issue then becomes the prioritization of one identity over the other creating disunity because now one identity feels side-lined over the other.

Look at black lives matter. The catalyst of the formation of the organization was over police brutality, which, if we were to look at through an intersectional lens, historically, and in more contemporary times, overwhelmingly was a black male issue (obviously I'm not denying that black women and LGBT have not been affected). However funding to the organization has been diverted to many LGBT and trans efforts as opposed to those of black males.

Identities are creating fault lines that make it hard for unity to prevail. And we cannot neglect unity. Unity is a necessity for the good of a any community or society.

Now imagine the issues that were seeing on a micro black level, and imagine how this is playing out on a national level.

Black issues are taking a back seat to a wide range of Feminist, LGBT, Latino/Hispanic, and Asian issues. Black people are becoming bitter because there is no unity amongst these minority identified groups, only each group prioritizing their own issues at the expense of black people.

Even more broader than that, there are critical issues that are affecting the entirety of our country; employment, environmentalism, infrastructure, healthcare, education, privatization, to name a few, and the various identities of this country are calling for our national leaders to address these issues through the prisms of their own specific identities. Addressing healthcare becomes addressing black specific healthcare disparities. Addressing employment becomes addressing issues facing undocumented Latino workers. And again, prioritizing one identity for the other creates disunity on a national/societal level. Even look at how student loan forgiveness has been politicized around "identities".

I'm not saying there are no benefits to identity politics. But there are certainly limitations and we're seeing those limitations real time.

And this is a problem that comes out of western philosophical ideas around liberty and freedom and what we should prioritize, the good of the individual vs. the good of society.

For any society to be held together, the good of society has to prevail. And yes, that means some people/groups/identities will have to take a back seat. Otherwise, if we're prioritizing the individual over the cohesiveness of the whole, that society is bound to crumble.

Honestly, this could be a thread by itself because it’s a layered problem. Like for example as someone that hangs out in both black feminists and LGBT, a main reoccurrence I seen in both groups is how they compare black hetero men to white hetero woman. That black men can only understand the racism but nothing else, while white women understand the sexism but also nothing else. Both of these groups see black men as privileged.

 

[Gloxina]

Honestly, this could be a thread by itself because it’s a layered problem. Like for example as someone that hangs out in both black feminists and LGBT, a main reoccurrence I seen in both groups is how they compare black hetero men to white hetero woman. That black men can only understand the racism but nothing else, while white women understand the sexism but also nothing else. Both of these groups see black men as privileged.

I mean, being Black + a woman is a unique experience because of the discrimination that is two-fold. Gotta deal with racists and misogynists. The issue with Blackness first is that the things that are problems that are specific to women and girls in the community are placed on the back burner or ignored. If the men in charge actually think women/girls are less than, they will never address our issues. The issue with Feminism is that it is inherently White and primarily addresses the issues White women have with White men and the system they created. It’s really about them getting more control so they are the White man’s equal, so racial issues, issues specific to Black women are placed at the bottom of the list and we are told they will be addressed when the original agenda, created by white women, is achieved.
Not to mention that at the end of the day, White women are still racist and benefit from White Supremacy, and will never actually leave the side of White men, because who walks away from power?

We only make up 6% of the population, so separating and having our own movement doesn’t make sense.

So ultimately Black first is the most sensible way to go, but this would require us to believe and trust that brehs will actually address our concerns when the Black agenda is achieved, and not take their newfound respect and power and use that to make moves in mainstream culture without US by their side.*

*Flashbacks of popular Black male entertainers and others in the past who said there was nothing a Black woman could do for them (because they were crossing over and having a White woman was viewed as making it). And yes I know 1-2 Black female entertainers said the same, but it was no where near the amount of Black male entertainers who made it and decided White women were the best thing since sliced bread.