China debuts 281mph bullet train while the united states still using shyt our ancestors built.

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imagine that shyt derailing

I thought china was known to have bad record with these bullet trains derailing and the aftermath being covered up. I probably wouldn’t ride one.

Or we could stick with whats happened in reality for over 60 years

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bullet trains travel at a modest 320kph. Despite these insane speeds, bullet trains are remarkably safe. In fact, the Shinkansen has had no accidents since its creation in 1964. That’s over 50 years accident-free. Punctuality and safety are only two of the train’s most advantageous features.
 
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Having ridden around trains all over europe and asia, it's definitely better than driving city to city. Obviously far distances require flying. I much rather take the eurostar from paris to london than take the plane from ORLY/CDG to LHR/GTW, same in Japan, I rather take the train from Tokyo to Kyoto than a flight. Even from NYC to Boston i rather than the train or NYC to DC even though our trains are so much slower. At least it provides another option to flying, going through airports at the outskirts of cities, and sure as hell beat traffic on the roads
 

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Having ridden around trains all over europe and asia, it's definitely better than driving city to city. Obviously far distances require flying. I much rather take the eurostar from paris to london than take the plane from ORLY/CDG to LHR/GTW, same in Japan, I rather take the train from Tokyo to Kyoto than a flight. Even from NYC to Boston i rather than the train or NYC to DC even though our trains are so much slower. At least it provides another option to flying, going through airports at the outskirts of cities, and sure as hell beat traffic on the roads
Yep, what's good withh train stations is that there are in the middle of the city
 

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I never understand why leftists are utterly obsessed with trains and railroads.

Cost effectiveness, time and unimpeded space make air travel the superior mode of travel. This shyt was figured out by the middle of the 20th century.

Let China build trains to nowhere.
Trains aren’t for just long travel you donut. We should not have to go through airport security and bullshyt to go from Atlanta to Charlotte when there are trains that old travel that distance in 2 hours
 

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1. Environmental Impact


  • Lower Carbon Emissions:
    • Trains produce significantly fewer greenhouse gas emissions per passenger-mile compared to airplanes, especially electric trains powered by renewable energy.
    • High-speed rail systems, for example, emit up to 90% less CO₂ than short-haul flights.
  • Energy Efficiency:
    • Trains are more energy-efficient, using less fuel per passenger or ton of freight compared to airplanes.



2. Accessibility and Convenience


  • Urban Connectivity:
    • LRT systems are integrated into city infrastructure, making them ideal for short-distance travel and commuting within metropolitan areas.
    • Train stations are often centrally located, unlike airports, which are usually on the outskirts of cities, requiring additional travel.
  • Simpler Boarding Process:
    • Trains generally have shorter check-in and boarding times compared to the lengthy security checks and procedures at airports.



3. Cost-Effectiveness


  • Affordable Fares:
    • Train and LRT tickets are often more affordable than plane tickets, especially for short- to medium-distance travel.
    • Reduced baggage fees and no hidden charges make trains more economical.
  • Infrastructure Costs:
    • Maintaining train tracks and stations is often less expensive than the upkeep of airports and aviation facilities.



4. Comfort and Flexibility


  • Spacious Seating and Amenities:
    • Trains typically offer more legroom, larger seats, and the ability to move around freely during the journey.
    • Many trains also have dining cars, restrooms, and scenic views.
  • No Weather Delays:
    • Trains are less likely to face delays due to weather conditions compared to airplanes, which can be grounded by storms or fog.



5. Safety


  • Lower Accident Risk:
    • Train travel has historically been safer than air travel, with fewer accidents and fatalities per passenger-mile.



6. Economic and Social Benefits


  • Regional Development:
    • Rail systems encourage economic growth by improving connectivity between cities and towns, fostering regional development.
    • LRT systems reduce urban congestion and promote more sustainable urban planning.
  • Job Creation:
    • Building and maintaining rail infrastructure creates jobs and stimulates local economies.



7. Better for Short- and Medium-Distance Travel


  • Time Efficiency:
    • For short- and medium-distance routes (e.g., under 500 miles), trains are often faster when considering total travel time (including airport check-in and security).
    • High-speed trains, like those in Europe or Japan, can rival the speed of airplanes over such distances.



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Yep, what's good withh train stations is that there are in the middle of the city

And let’s be serious the security and boarding process involved with flying is not pleasant at all. Flying itself is not pleasant experience unless you are flying Business class. Those little ass seats, packed in like sardines, flight attendants harassing you to put up your seat or turn off electronics.

fukk all that. I’ll take a bullet train any day of the week.
 

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1. Tearing up rural areas and knocking down trees and razing meadows to lay rail doesn't seem that environmentally friendly to me

2. Outside of the Northeastern United States, this doesn't exist in the United States

3. Debatable - Cheapest Amtrak ticket from Atlanta to Nashville is around 100 dollars but it'll take 16 hours to get there. Cheapest Spirit Ticket is around 75 dollars with an hour flight time.

4. I'll concede that point and say that train travel is more comfortable and not prone to the weather like flying is

5. Train accidents/incidents in 2023 in US - 4,845, Flight accidents/incidents in 2023 in US - 1,020

6. Lack of rail in my metro US area hasn't stopped urban sprawl in US suburbs and exurbs from my point of view.

7. See point 3 - 16 hour train ride to Nashville from Atlanta vs 4 hour car ride to Nashville to Atlanta vs 1 hour flight - Nashville to Atlanta
With high speed number 3 will be cut from 16 to 3 hours and cost half the price because you can make the trip 5 times a day instead of 1. That’s why planes are cheap.
 

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Trains make for great intermediate travel. Easily the best form for intermediate distance.

I’m from LA, wife is from SD. At some point I determined taking the consistent 2 hour train ride vs the erratic 1 to 3 hour drive was far more convenient, less hassle, consistent and far better overall. One of the last times I took that drive during the day I spent 8 hours on the road to drive from Culver City. 8 hours to drive ~110 miles is crazy (405 traffic through LA, 22 and 55 traffic through OC due to detour, 5 traffic through South OC and Oceanside then 805 traffic through SD). When it’s all clear it’s usually 1hr 15 min - 1.5 hours flat. Problem is that usually only happens around 1AM.

I wouldn’t take a plane for anything less than 3 hours driving but driving that long is annoying af, especially when it can get blown up with traffic. Train is ideal. I saved so much time and energy when choosing not to drive. That’s when I learned to write better software because I was able to do more than stare at brake lights for hours. Turned potentially a round trip of 6 hours of traffic and more downtime into 4 hours of active productivity. I don’t want to drive anything over 2 hours anymore, that’s too much life to waste, even 1.5 hours pushes it. Now scale that up for people who take commutes like that every week, for years. How much useless time spent is that?

Now a bullet train or high speed rail? shyt, I’d have taken one in a heartbeat. You can even commute to work between SoCal and NorCal with that. Before going remote it used to take me an hour to drive from Inglewood to LA for work. You mean to tell me I can get back from SF in the same amount of time via train, while actually putting those two hours to use to and from everyday?
 
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And let’s be serious the security and boarding process involved with flying is not pleasant at all. Flying itself is not pleasant experience unless you are flying Business class. Those little ass seats, packed in like sardines, flight attendants harassing you to put up your seat or turn off electronics.

fukk all that. I’ll take a bullet train any day of the week.
Yep. Post 9/11 airports turned plane trips into a hurdle.

Train stations are just like metro or bus stations.
 

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What exactly did the infrastructure bill accomplish , I think a 3 letter agency agency will get $80 billion over 10 years ; but what are we getting out of it . The telecoms get money from the feds & nothing gets done to improve service for lower prices
 
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