Black woman goes IN on the black-in-tech scammers who are really just recruiters in HR, not in key roles

[Software]

Most computer science grads these days aren't even on the same skill level as a recent long term bootcamp grads tbh (6months - year) people are leaving camps knowing JavaScript, Python, C- and already worked with react native etc with decent projects on their hub for interviewers to see. While many computer science grads are basically stuck at data structures and old comp science and have to be interns. A few FAANG Software Devs have told me bootcamp grads are easier to work with because of the mentality above rather than cocky College Grads. I believe it.

this isn't even remotely close to being true

 

[Software]

Again this just isn’t true. I don’t know if you are speaking from your experience or what but the industry is constantly making moves to lower the barrier of entry. Microsoft Google and Amazon are constantly doing things to accomplish this. All these recent certifications from them are made to give normal people the basic skills to get in the field.

This works in their favor tremendously. The number thing holding back tech companies from their pov is the exorbitant costs for salaries. The easiest way to do this is to bring more people in to increase the supply of workers and lessen the demand and thus decrease salaries. I was just working in a cloud team that was hiring people with no degrees and Practioner level certs.

I don't think the salaries are what's holding them back. Devs get paid 6 figures to create and maintain programs that make millions or even billions of dollars for the company. It's the difficulty finding qualified competent people to do the work that is the problem. There's a shortage of these people thats why the salaries are so high.

People with good problem solving skills and experience aren't easy to come by. The thing is people pick up these skills by working and gaining experience with solving various problems over time so a practitioner cert will let people get a foot in the door as a junior or intern and build that experience under the guidance of more senior team members and leads. At the end of the day bo matter what role you take in tech it's just getting that first foot in the door that's the hardest part. Once you have atleasr 2 years experience finding a job is easy

 

[JT-Money]

So non-technical people on social media are cosplaying as actual tech workers?

For what reason exactly?

I don't use social media hardly at all so excuse my ignorance.

 

[Playeroni]

Any brehs wanna get into tech look up per scholas. Its free and they pay for your first cert.

 

[Dr. Acula]

I've noticed this as well. But there are plenty asians and whites doing this dishonest shyt as well. It's just with black folks doing it they always are catering with #blacksintech and just watching the videos they always talked about their "job" in very high level and non specific terms that hinted maybe they aren't directly in the field but are aware of some jargon and technologies. Like they know a term but don't know what it means beyond knowing the term itself.

I never delved further into it to realize they were just corporate recruiters. A lot of them gave that MLM energy promising large paychecks fast. You just have to follow their steps.

 

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It's the difficulty finding qualified competent people to do the work that is the problem.

It's difficult finding anything when you don't understand what you are looking for

Very few recruiters understand what the people they are looking for actually do.

And sales attracts chancers so of course many will overstep the mark.

 

[Software]

So non-technical people on social media are cosplaying as actual tech workers?

For what reason exactly?

I don't use social media hardly at all so excuse my ignorance.

To sell ebooks, workshops, etc. Basically make money off people looking to learn how to get into tech. Problem is none of that will get you a job in a technical role and these people work in HR

 

[Dr. Acula]

So non-technical people on social media are cosplaying as actual tech workers?

For what reason exactly?

I don't use social media hardly at all so excuse my ignorance.

I think, right now the tech sector is being heavily marketed to not just black folks but everyone as a way to make good money and the key part these people promise, fast. Like "after 2 months, you will make 200k" type of stuff.

They are capitalizing on the perception that the fast track to wealth is through the tech industry.

 

[Phitz]

I swear to god people make things soooo complicated. Go to college and network man. That’s the formula geez. Folks stay hustling backwards. If you a first gen college student join a frat as well.


My supervisor said he set up a booth at my schools (an HBCU) career fair and NOBODY showed up. Let’s keep it a stack nobody gives a fukk about finding a job until Sallie Mae come callin


And all that “you need to know how to code” bullshyt it dead too. Most of that development shii is drag and drop with programs like talend and other shyt.

Folks in tech are extremely self important and be over explaining shyt to make themselves and their jobs seem more important than they are.

But this is 2022 ain’t nobody hiring you without no college degree in tech. Yo ass gonna be on geek squad, help desk, or jumping from contract to contract listening to the “college is a scam” crew

Let’s keep it a buck unless yo ass got mad projects on your belt and a old head to vouch for you you’ll start as a consultant then work your way up to a software tester then either become a PM or a developer. But the problem is folks with 20 years of experience make it seem like they just made 100k overnight confusing nikkas.

But then again let’s keep it a stack nobody wants to work their way up anymore nikkas want the success and accolades ASAP

well said

 

[Phitz]

Dev Ops is the new sexy in tech right now

 

[Jekyll]

I don't think the salaries are what's holding them back. Devs get paid 6 figures to create and maintain programs that make millions or even billions of dollars for the company. It's the difficulty finding qualified competent people to do the work that is the problem. There's a shortage of these people thats why the salaries are so high.

People with good problem solving skills and experience aren't easy to come by. The thing is people pick up these skills by working and gaining experience with solving various problems over time so a practitioner cert will let people get a foot in the door as a junior or intern and build that experience under the guidance of more senior team members and leads. At the end of the day bo matter what role you take in tech it's just getting that first foot in the door that's the hardest part. Once you have atleasr 2 years experience finding a job is easy

Salary is the biggest cost for most businesses. Its always what’s “holding a company back” and why employees are usually the first to go when its time to save money. And by holding them back, I mean these execs will literally lay dozens of people off so they can get a nice bonus.

 

[Phitz]

No lies told. I hate when people say they are in "tech". There is working in IT and there is working at a tech company. 2 different things. And there is working at a tech company and working at a FAANG tech company. Again 2 different things. way different pay scales and work types. People need to specify what they are talking about cause most times they are refering to being "in tech" as simply working an IT role at a non tech company.

I'm a technical manager at a FAANG and most black folks I meet are in non technical roles. There are very few black SWE's. My team is almost all indian. Most black folks are in marketing, business and HR roles. They get paid very well but the real money is always on the technical side.

I wouldnt say its neccessarily hard to break into tech. But it takes a level of discipline most people dont have. Most people are looking for shortcuts but there are no shortcuts. You only get better with time and practice. The interviews can be brutal and you really have to know your stuff.

I dont knwo, for a bit now the real money was on the Business Analyst and Technical Sales side, they were making 6 figures, while developers and network engineers, and support roles were significantly less.

All the Indian contractors had flooded the market and were taking much less pay dropping the pay scale. I guess it's changing now? Or does it depend on geographic location, and other factors.

 

[Phitz]

i mean.... i feel like there is no reason to say this other than throwing shade because i thought tech folks are supposed to be smart. for example, i can't imagine a qualified legal mind getting "scammed" by hr. i assume they can do their own diligence to get where they need to be. if you getting scammed by hr, maybe building cars that people drive 70mph everyday is not for you

Just because youre "smart" in one area of life doesn't neccessarily mean "smart" at others.

 

[JT-Money]

To sell ebooks, workshops, etc. Basically make money off people looking to learn how to get into tech. Problem is none of that will get you a job in a technical role and these people work in HR

If it's mostly Recruiters doing this it doesn't surprise me. That's why I avoid using third party tech recruiters. Most are really shady and like to people as part of their job duties.

 

[Software]

Salary is the biggest cost for most businesses. Its always what’s “holding a company back” and why employees are usually the first to go when its time to save money. And by holding them back, I mean these execs will literally lay dozens of people off so they can get a nice bonus.

Ok and if they lay off their tech team and the people who know how to maintain the applications and keep them working you know the ones generating those billions of dollars in revenue then what happens? The apps break costing billions in lost revenue and now you ve gotta hire a new tech team for even more money when you could've just paid out a couple million in payroll...