Asians dominating in Math, Science and Reading, Americans lagging behind

[Tommy Knocks]

Who says America leads the world in creativity and innovation? Honestly, I believe that's the problem, arrogance. Who comes to an argument about how America is falling behind and starts talking about what they're good at rather than the problem they're trying to solve?

Um, we lead the world in patents, and technology, that's not arrogance its fact. There is always a leader, and we just so happen to be it. It also helps we brain drain the rest of the world. We have many western lecturers being imported to try to spark the chinese youth, not the other way around, and before you go squaking about arrogance, we had no problems importing german lecturers after WWII.

I live here in China, they have a very very long way to go. Being good at math means fukk all. You should try working with the chinese, or read some blogs of westerners that have too, to really get an understanding on how complex this is. They're just not quite there yet when it comes to leading. It is very frustrating to deal with chinese workers and students. These numbers are also factitious, because I know for a fact they cheat. They are a memory culture. They can memorize the entire test very quickly, but test them again a year later, and it's forgotten. A creative mind can always produce, because it comes from within, not a measurement that already exists.

 

[Chris.B]

Um, we lead the world in patents, and technology, that's not arrogance its fact. There is always a leader, and we just so happen to be it. We have many western lecturers being imported to try to spark the chinese youth, not the other way around, and before you go squaking about arrogance, we had no problems importing german lecturers after WWII.

I live here in China, they have a very very long way to go. Being good at math means fukk all. You should try working with the chinese, or read some blogs of westerners that have too, to really get an understanding on how complex this is. They're just not quite there yet when it comes to leading. It is very frustrating to deal with chinese workers and students. These numbers are also factitious, because I know for a fact they cheat. They are a memory culture. They can memorize the entire test very quickly, but test them again a year later, and it's forgotten. A creative mind can always produce, because it comes from within, not a measurement that already exists.

True..I noticed this too in school. They can memorize an entire book but can't apply it.

it was evident when we had to put together network labs.

 

[mortuus est]

My beef with school is on the later grades where they basically waste your time on stuff that you can't even apply to everyday stuff. Teach people credit, entrepreneurship and that sort.

dont even think i got taught about taxes in my school days tbh

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Um, we lead the world in patents, and technology, that's not arrogance its fact. There is always a leader, and we just so happen to be it. We have many western lecturers being imported to try to spark the chinese youth, not the other way around, and before you go squaking about arrogance, we had no problems importing german lecturers after WWII.

I live here in China, they have a very very long way to go. Being good at math means fukk all. You should try working with the chinese, or read some blogs of westerners that have too, to really get an understanding on how complex this is. They're just not quite there yet when it comes to leading. It is very frustrating to deal with chinese workers and students. These numbers are also factitious, because I know for a fact they cheat. They are a memory culture. They can memorize the entire test very quickly, but test them again a year laters, and it's forgotten. A creative mind can always produce, because it comes from within, not a measurement that already exists.

All I'm saying is how do you solve the problem of Americans not performing on the level with other countries. You can talk about how China's numbers are all hype but I'll tell you this: if they are memorizing things, they've found a highly creative way of inflating the numbers thereby influencing a discussion and creating the appearance of deficiency. If that isn't creativity, I don't know what is.

Creativity is using whatever you have to resolve an issue, not about how many patents you have...

 

[Arishok]

Most Americans have been lied to believe they have to go to college and do something they love.

So they go in there and learn basket weaving and pot painting.

I was almost a liberal arts major till my old man told me think hard about it.....then I chose computer engineering

I would say most Americans think they have to go to college, get a good GPA, and that's it. When mostly college is about networking, especially at a college I'm in now where most (if not all) of the professors work in the field they currently teach.

You have to do internships, do work outside of your classwork, build up a portfolio/resume, get to know the business you're going into and what it takes to get into and stay there. Especially for us Art and Liberal Art majors. You can't just go to school for, say, Graphic Design, not network, and expect to get a job when you graduate.




Also, great video to watch on why we're lagging behind

 

[Tommy Knocks]

True..I noticed this too in school. They can memorize an entire book but can't apply it.

it was evident when we had to put network labs.

Working with the chinese is fukking frustrating. When it comes to critical thinking, its just not there. Say what you will about the american workforce, but we really fukking get the job done. I worked corporate at a mid tier level for 8 yrs. All those damn reorganizing, reforming, system updates etc etc, didnt make sense to me at the time, I was always a sort of "if its not broke dont fix it" type of guy, but now that I work in asia, my god, it makes sense. Americans are always thinking of new ways to make things better, beat out the competition, compete compete compete, think think think, better better better, new new new, whereas in asia everyone does the same thing, no one dares think outside of the box. I think its a communist thing tbh.

Even when I teach. I notice they've read ahead to anticipate the class and look very bright, but as soon as I bring up a pop quiz, it's like chickens with their heads cut off. sometimes I even bring up lessons from a month ago, and they're looking at me like . It's like dude you've had a perfect score on every single fukking test how do you not know how to answer this question in english????? ust ace'd.

I don't even wanna get into the work force, I don't want to make myself angry, god forbid I bring up an idea that would improve something, they'll just look at you like "but that's not how they trained us"

whereas in america, you get rewarded for that shyt, then you got coworkers on some "Im coming for your spot" it keeps things competitive and ever so improving. americans have brilliant minds.

 

[Illuminatos]

Yeah but I'm a young black male with a 9 inch dikk. :umaddoggie:

 

[Tommy Knocks]

All I'm saying is how do you solve the problem of Americans not performing on the level with other countries. You can talk about how China's numbers are all hype but I'll tell you this: if they are memorizing things, they've found a highly creative way of inflating the numbers thereby influencing a discussion and creating the appearance of deficiency. If that isn't creativity, I don't know what is.

Creativity is using whatever you have to resolve an issue, not about how many patents you have...

cheating isnt creative at all. USSR looked like beasts, until we found out they cheated everything. We show our real numbers, we have a very very complex social dynamics that most countries do not have. We are a melting pot of various peoples, with various needs, various cultures and a massive population. Other than Japan and Germany (who we helped rebuild), our workforce are not to be fukked with. Americans aren't as lazy as you'd think, we just focus on where it matters, having high math scores proves what to you? Making the next iphone invention, next facebook, next internet, next alternative energy, next break through is far more important than math scores, sorry. You can find a math whiz to do the calculations for you, every country have the math heads, but not every country have creative innovators like a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, with a workforce that can support these powerful minds. You are really underestimating the U.S. It took me having to leave to really look back and say "damn, we're good"

Spoiler

It's going to sound a bit racist, but most of the chinese population have the mind of rural american farmers. The japanese however are some very intelligent people, very hard working and detailed, but I for damn sure wouldnt want to enter that workforce, unless you want to be a robot that works 12 hours a day, they dont have a lot of people but manage to have the 3rd strongest economy in the world....for a reason. I feel sorry for their human side.

 

[mortuus est]

You can't just go to school for, say, Graphic Design, not network, and expect to get a job when you graduate.

 

[Yakno1]

I will give Asians this when it come to technology, they can reverse engineer a lot of shyt , they and the russians lead the world in bootlegging/copyright infringement

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I will give Asians this when it come to technology, they can reverse engineer a lot of shyt , they and the russians lead the world in bootlegging/copyright infringement

Because they don't know how to think up their own technology.

Man I can attend a chinese university for about $3,000 a year (all the africans in the city are doing it). It's so twisted here, its kinda like no-child-left-behind. For 12 gs you can get a university degree and pass memorizing the tests they teach you before the actual tests. Post grad is a little different, but it's still mickey mouse.

You CAN NOT fukk with American Universities (thats why everyone comes to study). We create labs, research, we are always looking for the next new thing, next new medical breakthrough, we have all of our brightest working in labs in every single state, every single major city, exclusively focusing on that and on top of that we drain the rest of the world and give them these facilities and then ask if they want to become americans and work for us (we assimilate people very well, other countries struggle with this, and make most feel like outsiders). China is not doing that. Peking is a good uni, and Shanghai is a bunch of spoiled govt official kids. The worst thing china ever did was kill off their intellectual class during the cultural revolution, when they were busy doing that, america had german intellectuals training our universities and documenting everything so the next gen would have the blue print. we had our own intellectual revolution.

Our demise however will be these charter schools, I see us slowly fukking up the next generation.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Another reason the asian culture is very good at memorizing is because this part of their brain is exercised intensely since childhood.

You ever notice the characters? they have to memorize all of it, like flash cards. whereas in english, we just memorize alphabets and combined pronunciation, you may not know the word, but you can still pronounce it. Mandarin is a very primitive language, they don't actually create new words, they just combine old ones to make a new one. for example computer is 'electric brain'.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

cheating isnt creative at all. USSR looked like beasts, until we found out they cheated everything. We show our real numbers, we have a very very complex social dynamics that most countries do not have. We are a melting pot of various peoples, with various needs, various cultures and a massive population. Other than Japan and Germany (who we helped rebuild), our workforce are not to be fukked with. Americans aren't as lazy as you'd think, we just focus on where it matters, having high math scores proves what to you? Making the next iphone invention, next facebook, next internet, next alternative energy, next break through is far more important than math scores, sorry. You can find a math whiz to do the calculations for you, every country have the math heads, but not every country have creative innovators like a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, with a workforce that can support these powerful minds. You are really underestimating the U.S. It took me having to leave to really look back and say "damn, we're good"

Spoiler

It's going to sound a bit racist, but most of the chinese population have the mind of rural american farmers. The japanese however are some very intelligent people, very hard working and detailed, but I for damn sure wouldnt want to enter that workforce, unless you want to be a robot that works 12 hours a day

I disagree simply on the grounds that you're still saying don't look at the numbers, which is foolish. Mostly because other nations are ahead of the US as well. Are they cheating as well? Also, you mentioned sustainable techs and things of that nature when America isn't leading the field in technology like that. I can't really get with your responses. While I do recognize you work within China, an answer like "they cheat" sounds childish. The same method you mentioned, the memorization etc, is the same idea, along with over testing, that's been applied here to deal with America's perceived academic inabilities. Bottom line is every country's going to have strengths and weaknesses, however what I find hilarious is when faced with a fact, most Americans, if the fact doesn't suit their fancy, will come up with some of the most CREATIVE excuses to validate their inability. "They cheat". Oh? Does Europe cheat as well? The numbers show Europe is ahead too. "They don't have real world application" Well, I assume that's why they brought you over there in the first place, so they can learn from you. "We have the most patents". Yes just so we don't face legal backlash and that we earn money off of what we create, not because are patents denote a usefulness of the technology.

It has little to do with underestimating America, more to do with actually examining instead of dismissing a claim that's been discussed for a while.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I disagree simply on the grounds that you're still saying don't look at the numbers, which is foolish. Mostly because other nations are ahead of the US as well. Are they cheating as well? Also, you mentioned sustainable techs and things of that nature when America isn't leading the field in technology like that. I can't really get with your responses. While I do recognize you work within China, an answer like "they cheat" sounds childish. The same method you mentioned, the memorization etc, is the same idea, along with over testing, that's been applied here to deal with America's perceived academic inabilities. Bottom line is every country's going to have strengths and weaknesses, however what I find hilarious is when faced with a fact, most Americans, if the fact doesn't suit their fancy, will come up with some of the most CREATIVE excuses to validate their inability. "They cheat". Oh? Does Europe cheat as well? The numbers show Europe is ahead too. "They don't have real world application" Well, I assume that's why they brought you over there in the first place, so they can learn from you. "We have the most patents". Yes just so we don't face legal backlash and that we earn money off of what we create, not because are patents denote a usefulness of the technology.

It has little to do with underestimating America, more to do with actually examining instead of dismissing a claim that's been discussed for a while.

I didn't mention anything about europe. the western world are all pretty much the same. our corporations do so many joint ventures its pretty hard to say we are different. the trading agreement between the U.S and EU make us pact brothers for life, we share everything. There is nothing we are doing that the british or german do not know about. We DO NOT share with the east or russia. I gave you the reason why our numbers dont look as good as say Germany or Denmark. We have 350 million people, with a very complex social dynamics. Denmark can fit in Washington State. Their reforms are of course going to be much easier than a complex place like America.

It would be like comparing New Yorks average to the rest of america's it wouldn't be fair. Clearly America would have the lesser number. Did you notice the chinese numbers were broken up into cities, while america was represented as an entire country? I'm not making excuses for the U.S, we just really are that damn good. There is no place more modern on such a wide scale and I've been to just about every continent on this planet. I'm not a patriot believe it or not, if I was, I wouldn't be living abroad, but I can't stand people that don't appreciate what the american workforce has done for the world. It's bullshyt.

and yes, "they cheat". I mean its that simple...you know what, hold on, let me get the article.

ask china to give us their NATIONAL test scores and watch where they land. HK and Shanghai are like New York and LA, while completely overlooking Alabama, Missouri, Idaho and all the other middle states, that lack the same resources. I mean what more do you want me to say other than "they cheat"

 

[Tommy Knocks]

here you go.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

This was a riot that broke out because one school decided not to allow the kids to cheat anymore. They were brave, but more prestige schools like the ones in Shanghai wouldn't dare. Too many officials kids at risk to allow that to happen.

and btw. who has more technological breakthoughs than us? who is competing with MIT? do you know what we are creating right now? I don't think you know. We are currently mastering stem cells and nano tech, son. We are currently refocusing on robotics and are about to take that crown from Japan. We are working on prenatal DNA mapping, Baxter, Memory implants, Supergrids. Lets not even get into the media breakthroughs, I don't think you know what you're dealing with here. America is a beast.