Asians dominating in Math, Science and Reading, Americans lagging behind

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

here you go.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

This was a riot that broke out because one school decided not to allow the kids to cheat anymore. They were brave, but more prestige schools like the ones in Shanghai wouldn't dare. Too many officials kids at risk to allow that to happen.

and btw. who has more technological breakthoughs than us? who is competing with MIT? do you know what we are creating right now? I don't think you know. We are currently mastering stem cells and nano tech, son. We are currently refocusing on robotics and are about to take that crown from Japan. We are working on prenatal DNA mapping, Baxter, Memory implants, Supergrids. Lets not even get into the media breakthroughs, I don't think you know what you're dealing with here. America is a beast.

Most of those technologies and advances are joint ventures between companies existing in various countries around world. The only thing you've listed so far that's completely American is Facebook. I bet if you looked up most of the technologies you THINK we created, you'll find that it's much more deeper than just "America thought of it". That's why I'm saying the discussion is bullshyt until you start listing and researching specific techs. In reality, there aren't. So to credit the US as "leading" force is a gross misstatement, whether you feel you're a patriot or not. Facts are facts.

I'm willing to go tech for tech. This sort of reminds me of how someone uploaded a video in the rec room about how people claim Apple is innovated and creates these various techs that would seem to be the first of its kind but then they'd expose how some other foreign company came up with the idea and how Apple jacked it. And I'm using Apple as a source because you mentioned people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. All I'm saying is if you research most techs you have to give credit beyond America because in truth America is mostly hype.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Most of those technologies and advances are joint ventures between companies existing in various countries around world. The only thing you've listed so far that's completely American is Facebook. I bet if you looked up most of the technologies you THINK we created, you'll find that it's much more deeper than just "America thought of it". That's why I'm saying the discussion is bullshyt until you start listing and researching specific techs. In reality, there aren't. So to credit the US as "leading" force is a gross misstatement, whether you feel you're a patriot or not. Facts are facts.

I'm willing to go tech for tech. This sort of reminds me of how someone uploaded a video in the rec room about how people claim Apple is innovated and creates these various techs that would seem to be the first of its kind but then they'd expose how some other foreign company came up with the idea and how Apple jacked it. And I'm using Apple as a source because you mentioned people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. All I'm saying is if you research most techs you have to give credit beyond America because in truth America is mostly hype.

I didnt list inventions in that post, I listed researched ventures. We pour more money into those than anyone else.

Apple didn't jack anyone, I wanna see the patent receipts. Last I heard samsung (korean) has to pay a cpl billions tho......

Funny how you can buy into china's hype (even tho they are listing only 2 cities) but question america's hype despite actual products being on the market, for example the very OS system you are using to communicate with me. LOL.

Name a civilization shaking invention the chinese have created in the past 20 years. I'll wait.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Most of those technologies and advances are joint ventures between companies existing in various countries around world. The only thing you've listed so far that's completely American is Facebook. I bet if you looked up most of the technologies you THINK we created, you'll find that it's much more deeper than just "America thought of it". That's why I'm saying the discussion is bullshyt until you start listing and researching specific techs. In reality, there aren't. So to credit the US as "leading" force is a gross misstatement, whether you feel you're a patriot or not. Facts are facts.

I'm willing to go tech for tech. This sort of reminds me of how someone uploaded a video in the rec room about how people claim Apple is innovated and creates these various techs that would seem to be the first of its kind but then they'd expose how some other foreign company came up with the idea and how Apple jacked it. And I'm using Apple as a source because you mentioned people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. All I'm saying is if you research most techs you have to give credit beyond America because in truth America is mostly hype.

http://www.technologyreview.com/fea...-to-the-10-breakthrough-technologies-of-2013/

click the blue links.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/513681/memory-implants/

for example memory implants.

check out technology review. feel free.

 

[chineebai]

Another reason the asian culture is very good at memorizing is because this part of their brain is exercised intensely since childhood.

You ever notice the characters? they have to memorize all of it, like flash cards. whereas in english, we just memorize alphabets and combined pronunciation, you may not know the word, but you can still pronounce it. Mandarin is a very primitive language, they don't actually create new words, they just combine old ones to make a new one. for example computer is 'electric brain'.

You do realize that Chinese also has their own alphabet right and that's how it's taught in school. You can pronounce any chinese word the same as you would in the english alphabet. English isnt coming up with new letters are they? Chinese is a harder language because it's a 4 tonal language. You can research this on your own. Are you sure you know anything about the chinese language?

 

[Lakers Offseason]

I didnt list inventions in that post, I listed researched ventures. We pour more money into those than anyone else.

Apple didn't jack anyone, I wanna see the patent receipts. Last I heard samsung (korean) has to pay a cpl billions tho......

Funny how you can buy into china's hype (even tho they are listing only 2 cities) but question america's hype despite actual products being on the market, for example the very OS system you are using to communicate with me. LOL.

Name a civilization shaking invention the chinese have created in the past 20 years. I'll wait.

I don't think Apple is the best example of American ingenuity. I attribute they're success to great marketing and branding

 

[Aizen]

The general view is other countries lack the "creativity" of the West. Besides North America, I have been a student in 2 other continents and from the viewpoint of a person who worked together with them in groups/teams and studied individually side-by-side with Asian and African students, I didn't see this so-called "lack of creativity." I would venture start-up capital is the main issue for certain countries because I met more "genius" types abroad. It may not even be about intelligence and but rather having more "street hunger" than the average American.

Just my 2 pennies.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

You do realize that Chinese also has their own alphabet right and that's how it's taught in school. You can pronounce any chinese word the same as you would in the english alphabet. English isnt coming up with new letters are they? Chinese is a harder language because it's a 4 tonal language. You can research this on your own. Are you sure you know anything about the chinese language?

are you talking about pinyin? that's newly introduced, and many still don't know it. Im currently learning mandarin, how do you think I order food, or catch cabs? It would be impossible for me to learn mandarin without pinyin. Here's whats really weird. If I type in pinyin, as in not using it to make characters, they actually can't read it.

for example. ni zai zou shenme? 75% of people can't read that. but whats weird is they have to enter that into their keyboards to make chinese characters. this is what I mean by memory.



and yes, the tones make it hard, but the actual structure of sentences are pretty damn basic, lets not front.

 

[Thoughts]

...oh, I would've swore it was Nigerians. Who compiled these statistics?

 

[chineebai]

are you talking about pinyin? that's newly introduced, and many still don't know it. I currently learning mandarin. Here's whats really weird. If I type in pinyin, as in not using it to make characters, they actually can't read it.

for example. ni zai zou shenme? 75% of people can't read that. but whats weird is they have to enter that into their keyboards to make chinese characters. this is what I mean by memory.

Yes Pin Yin, and most people know it. You need to really know a language before you come up with asinine conjectures of making up words and what not. It's not to insult you but trust me, as a Native chinese speaker that reads and writes chinese as well as I do English, and I write pretty damn well, Chinese requires a lot more brain power. Maybe it's just me but studies do show chinese as being a harder language. You're trying to juxtapose memorization and creativity to the ability to make up new words. I can make up a new english word right now, Gahoundbinhall, you can do that with any language. Creativity is how you use the language in a way that you want to convey it to others, and how emotional it can be to others.

 

[chineebai]

Um, we lead the world in patents, and technology, that's not arrogance its fact. There is always a leader, and we just so happen to be it. It also helps we brain drain the rest of the world. We have many western lecturers being imported to try to spark the chinese youth, not the other way around, and before you go squaking about arrogance, we had no problems importing german lecturers after WWII.

I live here in China, they have a very very long way to go. Being good at math means fukk all. You should try working with the chinese, or read some blogs of westerners that have too, to really get an understanding on how complex this is. They're just not quite there yet when it comes to leading. It is very frustrating to deal with chinese workers and students. These numbers are also factitious, because I know for a fact they cheat. They are a memory culture. They can memorize the entire test very quickly, but test them again a year later, and it's forgotten. A creative mind can always produce, because it comes from within, not a measurement that already exists.

According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_patents

Japan and China leads in Patents in 2011, don't know about 2012 or 2013. There's many ways to look at this. You can say well china has a billion people and just a couple more patents, but then when you consider that China was a 3rd world country 20 years ago and still mostly made up of rural farmers and low skill laborers, I say it's a good comparison regardless of population. Western lecturers sparking the chinese youth? Can you say for sure that their main objective is to spark the chinese youth and not for a paycheck? American universities are filled with foreign lecturers of all nationalities.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Yes Pin Yin, and most people know it. You need to really know a language before you come up with asinine conjectures of making up words and what not. It's not to insult you but trust me, as a Native chinese speaker that reads and writes chinese as well as I do English, and I write pretty damn well, Chinese requires a lot more brain power. Maybe it's just me but studies do show chinese as being a harder language. You're trying to juxtapose memorization and creativity to the ability to make up new words. I can make up a new english word right now, Gahoundbinhall, you can do that with any language. Creativity is how you use the language in a way that you want to convey it to others, and how emotional it can be to others.

I disagree, I find WRITING chinese is harder, but language as a whole? you must be kidding.

In fact, write the very first sentence you just wrote, in chinese. I'm not disrespecting you, but you are being bias. and I will make you prove my point on your own. So again, write this in chinese, and I will prove my point.............................

"You need to really know a language before you come up with asinine conjectures of making up words and what not."

what makes chinese harder is the tones and you know it. And no, creativity is the ability to express your words in detail , to convey accurate expression, emotion and illustration to the listeners. Chinese does an awful job of that.

 

[RatherUnique]

Cats keep talking about American's designing Ipod, Ipad, iMac, but Jonathan Ive at Apple is English, not American. That dude has been the designer for almost all Apple products.

 

[Midrash]

I like how everyone takes time to relate their personal experiences about how international students can't do this or that, but shouldn't we be talking about how Americans are deficient in mathematics and reading and how there's statistical evidence to support such a claim?

However, the report implies that education translates into gainful market skills, an assumption NOT found in the research. For instance, while Chinese students, on average, have twice the number of instructional hours as Americans, both countries have identical scores on tests of scientific reasoning.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/03/wh...ools-lag-behind-other-countries-2013-edition/

^ Even if this was the case, we wouldn't have so many unemployed college grads. The PERSON makes the degree, not the other way around. All of the top students in my chemistry department are kids that are obsessed with chemistry and are truely passionate about it as a dream and do chemistry because they GENUINELY enjoy it.


Ya'll E=MC^2 muthafuqqas need to understand that everything can't be quantified into a number that's the end all be all. You can't slap a math equation on a guy who fell in love with the girl down the street. Despite the fact that we lag behind in being really good at filling out bubble sheets, we lead in scientific innovation. That makes absolutely no logical sense and it doesn't because everything in life doesn't boil down to logic. If I copy everything I did with Jay Z's success then logically, I should be worth a half a billion in two decades but I guarantee you it won't happen like that. You can't carbon copy innovation, passion, drive, ambition and the capacity to dream big because those things can't be quantified on a scantron sheet.


Statistically, black people are the homicide offenders more than 50% of the time but I don't go around fearing every black male I see on the street even though I would be perfectly justified with statistics.

Using your logic, its perfectly rational for racist white people to fear black men a lot more than they do with white males.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...w-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data

 

[Poitier]

Would you want to grow up in a soulless environment where being an individual is punished just so you could have hight aptitude scores?

America definitely has education problems but we should definitely not try to compete with people whose whole life revolves around STEM fields and miss out on what truly matters in life.

 

[chineebai]

Working with the chinese is fukking frustrating. When it comes to critical thinking, its just not there. Say what you will about the american workforce, but we really fukking get the job done. I worked corporate at a mid tier level for 8 yrs. All those damn reorganizing, reforming, system updates etc etc, didnt make sense to me at the time, I was always a sort of "if its not broke dont fix it" type of guy, but now that I work in asia, my god, it makes sense. Americans are always thinking of new ways to make things better, beat out the competition, compete compete compete, think think think, better better better, new new new, whereas in asia everyone does the same thing, no one dares think outside of the box. I think its a communist thing tbh.

Even when I teach. I notice they've read ahead to anticipate the class and look very bright, but as soon as I bring up a pop quiz, it's like chickens with their heads cut off. sometimes I even bring up lessons from a month ago, and they're looking at me like . It's like dude you've had a perfect score on every single fukking test how do you not know how to answer this question in english????? ust ace'd.

I don't even wanna get into the work force, I don't want to make myself angry, god forbid I bring up an idea that would improve something, they'll just look at you like "but that's not how they trained us"

whereas in america, you get rewarded for that shyt, then you got coworkers on some "Im coming for your spot" it keeps things competitive and ever so improving. americans have brilliant minds.

Americans get the job done? Do you know how unproductive the average worker is? Just look at the Coli and how people post all day. Do you know how hard you have to work in China to become eve

I disagree, I find WRITING chinese is harder, but language as a whole? you must be kidding.

In fact, write the very first sentence you just wrote, in chinese. I'm not disrespecting you, but you are being bias. and I will make you prove my point on your own. So again, write this in chinese, and I will prove my point.............................

"You need to really know a language before you come up with asinine conjectures of making up words and what not."

what makes chinese harder is the tones and you know it. And no, creativity is the ability to express your words in detail , to convey accurate expression, emotion and illustration to the listeners. Chinese does an awful job of that.

You're just learning Chinese, so how would you even understand anything harder? I'm at work, I can't type in chinese.Here is some actual proof.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jun/30/highereducation.science

Are you at least college level chinese?