Asians dominating in Math, Science and Reading, Americans lagging behind

[Tommy Knocks]

Americans get the job done? Do you know how unproductive the average worker is? Just look at the Coli and how people post all day. Do you know how hard you have to work in China to become eve

A robotic job requires that. We no longer have factory lines.

You're just learning Chinese, so how would you even understand anything harder? I'm at work, I can't type in chinese.Here is some actual proof.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jun/30/highereducation.science

Are you at least college level chinese?

of course not however reading your own link, it further proved my point.

In Mandarin, a different intonation delivers a different meaning: the syllable "ma", for instance, can mean mother, scold, horse or hemp according to its musical sound.

exactly what I was saying....

primitive language with extremely hard tones. but here's the kicker, why not just create new words as to not mix mother with horse due to different accents and dialects? This is why its hard to us, because in our mind, if we had a language full of two, too, to's it would be EXTREMELY hard to decipher the above unless you've got a sharp ear for the language. Our language is not based off tones, we do not sing our language, rather, we focus on being detailed and expressive. This requires many words, instead of 4 tones for one word.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

I didnt list inventions in that post, I listed researched ventures. We pour more money into those than anyone else.

Apple didn't jack anyone, I wanna see the patent receipts. Last I heard samsung (korean) has to pay a cpl billions tho......

Funny how you can buy into china's hype (even tho they are listing only 2 cities) but question america's hype despite actual products being on the market, for example the very OS system you are using to communicate with me. LOL.

Name a civilization shaking invention the chinese have created in the past 20 years. I'll wait.

Did I say anything about Samsung though? You keep on talk about China, which is what I said is a problem with Americans in the first place. The necessity to be considered first as if this is a competition. It isn't, the simple fact remains that people from all over contribute to those various techs and advancement. The only people saying they're number one is the US. It's called chauvinism. Until you actually approach the discussion on the same grounds I am, there's no reason for us to discuss.
And yes, America does pour a lot of money into those ventures, but how does that translate to being the creative force? Money isn't creative, people are. Basically you're telling me America has the money, not the mind power for it

 

[Tommy Knocks]

According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_patents

Japan and China leads in Patents in 2011, don't know about 2012 or 2013. There's many ways to look at this. You can say well china has a billion people and just a couple more patents, but then when you consider that China was a 3rd world country 20 years ago and still mostly made up of rural farmers and low skill laborers, I say it's a good comparison regardless of population. Western lecturers sparking the chinese youth? Can you say for sure that their main objective is to spark the chinese youth and not for a paycheck? American universities are filled with foreign lecturers of all nationalities.

ok so I got a chance to check the link. You better learn to read your links more accurate before you come at me.

China lead in APPLICATIONS, but Japan and then the U.S were GRANTED the patents.

 

[chineebai]

A robotic job requires that. We no longer have factory lines.


of course not however reading your own link, it further proved my point.

exactly what I was saying....

primitive language with extremely hard tones. but here's the kicker, why not just create new words as to not mix mother with horse due to different accents and dialects? This is why its hard to us, because in our mind, if we had a language full of two, too, to's it would be EXTREMELY hard to decipher the above unless you've got a sharp ear for the language. Our language is not based off tones, we do not sing our language, rather, we focus on being detailed and expressive. This requires many words, instead of 4 tones for one word.

right so it's harder because it has more tones. Why not get rid of the K and C and Q in english? Why is house plural houses and mouse is mice. It's not hard to decipher if you know the language, it takes more effort. It's not a primitive language, it's an old language, again with this superiority thing. I highly doubt you understand chinese because it sounds like you're first grade level. No offense. Obviously it's hard for non native speakers, english was hard for me when I started.

 

[chineebai]

ok so I got a chance to check the link. You better learn to read your links more accurate before you come at me.

China lead in APPLICATIONS, but Japan and then the U.S were GRANTED the patents.

That is my bad, I didn't read it carefully. But there isn't a large difference and considering that China is really just starting out in the last 20 years or so, it is a great start.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Did I say anything about Samsung though? You keep on talk about China, which is what I said is a problem with Americans in the first place. The necessity to be considered first as if this is a competition. It isn't, the simple fact remains that people from all over contribute to those various techs and advancement. The only people saying they're number one is the US. It's called chauvinism. Until you actually approach the discussion on the same grounds I am, there's no reason for us to discuss.
And yes, America does pour a lot of money into those ventures, but how does that translate to being the creative force? Money isn't creative, people are.

Money = Platform.

You can have loads of geniuses but if you don't have the environment or facilities for them, how exactly are you going to get the products produced?

of course I'm thinking in terms of number 1 or 2. I dont know if you're american, but you grew up in a capitalist society, competitiveness is the reason you have the luxuries you have today. If you don't like america, you are more than welcome to leave the country. and if you don't live there, you are more than welcome to not use our inventions. You'll find out real quick what kind of impact we've had in the world. I never denied anyone elses contributions, but you were trying to make it appear as if we're just lazy slobs, but our production speaks for itself.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

right so it's harder because it has more tones. Why not get rid of theThe Chinese language has been remarkably stable, since China had a high degree of political unity and a long literary tradition. Since Chinese has changed little, it still has the characteristics of a primitive language. Like all primitive languages, Chinese is composed of nothing but monosyllables; it requires no effort to find the root of a Chinese word, because every word is a root. Chinese roots scarcely deserve to be called “roots” since they lie on the surface, in plain view. Take the days of the week, for example: Monday through Saturday are called Day One, Day Two, etc., up to Day Six. (Sunday is called Day of the Sun, or Day of the Sky.) Since Chinese names of days are so simple, one can’t speak of the “roots” of these names. In English, on the other hand, the names of days are far more complex, and their roots are much deeper, stretching back to Roman and Germanic terms. Wednesday, for example, comes from the Germanic god Woden, and Friday comes from the god Frigga. K and C and Q in english? Why is house plural houses and mouse is mice. It's not hard to decipher if you know the language, it takes more effort. It's not a primitive language, it's an old language, again with this superiority thing. I highly doubt you understand chinese because it sounds like you're first grade level. No offense. Obviously it's hard for non native speakers, english was hard for me when I started.

Dude I got that from your link. No one is being arrogant.

Plurals make sense, past, present, future, its how you accurately detail what you are trying to express, same with first person, second person. English is latin deprived, german is even harder, but to state chinese is on that level of detail is absurd and you know it. You just dont like the way I'm calling it primitive, keep it real, fine, I'll use "old".



English has evolved quite a bit, while mandarin has not. We no longer speak latin, english is an evolving language, mandarin is not. Get over it.

The Chinese language has been remarkably stable, since China had a high degree of political unity and a long literary tradition. Since Chinese has changed little, it still has the characteristics of a primitive language. Like all primitive languages, Chinese is composed of nothing but monosyllables; it requires no effort to find the root of a Chinese word, because every word is a root. Chinese roots scarcely deserve to be called “roots” since they lie on the surface, in plain view. Take the days of the week, for example: Monday through Saturday are called Day One, Day Two, etc., up to Day Six. (Sunday is called Day of the Sun, or Day of the Sky.) Since Chinese names of days are so simple, one can’t speak of the “roots” of these names. In English, on the other hand, the names of days are far more complex, and their roots are much deeper, stretching back to Roman and Germanic terms. Wednesday, for example, comes from the Germanic god Woden, and Friday comes from the god Frigga.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

That is my bad, I didn't read it carefully. But there isn't a large difference and considering that China is really just starting out in the last 20 years or so, it is a great start.

I agree. I might sound patriotic, but I'm actually rooting for China.

I want the U.S to be number 2, heck even 5, because I think we lost our flare, our competitiveness, we've been coasting so long we don't have a sense of urgency, we've become lazy, we no longer see the importance of reform, its all bad back home, we need someone to catch up and awaken that spirit, the same spirit we had during the cold war. we need that, so we NEED China to wake up, the problem is we've excelled so far ahead of everyone, modernizing and making everything so simple, we just don't. we coast. we're not using our full capacity at all. and this is creating a generation of MTV/Facebook babies.

 

[unit321]

 

[Wild self]

Would you want to grow up in a soulless environment where being an individual is punished just so you could have hight aptitude scores?

America definitely has education problems but we should definitely not try to compete with people whose whole life revolves around STEM fields and miss out on what truly matters in life.

We there now with these posters in here. Talking about STEM majors this and that. They expect every working American citizen to either work in a stressful STEM job for 60+hours a week, with no contact with friends or family, just to compete with countries that use cruel and unusual punishment techniques to force kids to learn. We are human, and only a gifted few can do STEM and Chemistry naturally. People learn through other ways, but those countries damn near traumatize kids just to learn to be A DAMN WORKER.

 

[chineebai]

Dude I got that from your link. No one is being arrogant.

Plurals make sense, past, present, future, its how you accurately detail what you are trying to express, same with first person, second person. English is latin deprived, german is even harder, but to state chinese is on that level of detail is absurd and you know it. You just dont like the way I'm calling it primitive, keep it real, fine, I'll use "old".



English has evolved quite a bit, while mandarin has not. We no longer speak latin, english is an evolving language, mandarin is not. Get over it.

Nobody speaks latin... I understand that you don't know chinese so your opinion of english, and apparently german is understandable.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Nobody speaks latin... I understand that you don't know chinese so your opinion of english, and apparently german is understandable.

Like all primitive languages, Chinese has no grammar. The plural form of a Chinese word is formed by adding a word that expresses plurality; the past tense of a Chinese word is formed by adding a word that expresses past time. In short, Chinese words don’t change to express a certain grammatical form; rather, they’re combined with other words that express number, tense, etc.

Unlike Chinese words, Greek and Latin words have many different forms, depending on their grammatical function. The Romans began studying grammar in order to facilitate the study of Greek. Soon grammar became a passion among educated Romans. Caesar wrote a book on grammar during his Gallic campaign; in fact, Caesar invented the grammatical term “ablative.”

I've explained a numerous times now why english is more detailed and why mandarin is quite basic and what makes it difficult is it's tone. We both agree here no? if not why do you think chinese is harder, other than tones. I would love to learn something today.

 

[chineebai]

I've explained a numerous times now why english is more detailed and why mandarin is quite basic and what makes it difficult is it's tone. We both agree here no? if not why do you think chinese is harder, other than tones. I would love to learn something today.

No we do not agree. It's better to agree to disagree.

 

[Huellz Santana]

@Tommy Knocks out here handing out that work!

Im gonna respond to some stuff then interject my own thoughts.

(my background: went to engineering school with a bunch of asians, study abroad in Shanghai, work as an engineer on global projects, i also lead education initiatives for minorities)​

 

[Huellz Santana]

Meh. America is doing poorly but the international students arent any smarter when they come here for university. America wants to dumb down our average while the asians want their average to excel.

When their unis pass ours it will be panic time.

yup. seen it with my own eyes.​

Its because of the focus. Those Asians stress education more than anything. Kids go to school all day, then come home and their parents work with them some more. In some schools kids are preparing for middle and high school placement tests like we prepare for college finals, taking speed and all that.

Its not just a matter of getting better teachers here, we would have to totally change our mindset when it comes to child education. Over here we see having a balanced social life as part of a good education, that means participating in sports, music, etc.... Over there they dont give a shyt about that, its straight up grades.

Them Asians tend to go hard on anything they are interested in. Thats why they end up dying in internet cafe's playing WoW.

you should read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. he touches on the societal differences that lead to Asians being better in math. it was a good read.​

I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

We lead the world in innovation and creativity. Those asian countries habe a HUGE private tutoring market. They won't let you get an education if you have a learning disability. They are already starting off on a good foot. Also they did a scientific profeciency test and despite the fact that they study twice as much, their scientific proficiency was the same. Thats horribly inefficient.

Asians are GRINDERS period. they will put in 24hrs a day to solve something where as Americans are naturally on some "how can i get this done is less time with less work" mindstate​