So why are some public schools succesful? And why can't other schools follow that success?
And why are public schools subject to bureaucracy?
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So why are some public schools succesful? And why can't other schools follow that success?
And why are public schools subject to bureaucracy?
the public schools that are successful are successful because the kids come from academic environments at home to begin with, if the kids do not have that then the public schools has to compensate for that, but most public schools arent designed to do that that is why you need charter schools, charter schools are independent so they can be designed anyway the people that founded the charter see fit, that is why black people should embrace charters becuase it allows us to found our own schools with our own rules i just posted an example Chicagoans of the Year 2010: Tim King, Urban Prep Academy - Chicago magazine - January 2011 - Chicago
public schools have had the same bureaucracy for the past 100 years, and they are mostly designed around the idea that when kids go back home the parents read to the kids and helps them with their homework etc, there maybe some exceptions but by and large the public school bureaucracy isnt designed to deal with kids who come from a broken family and money imo is not going to make them do that, you have to shut it down the bureaucracy and start from the beginning
we all know the movers and shakers of this country all send their children to private schools anyways.
So it's just a coincidence that the succesful public schools have more money, smaller class sizes, better extracurricular activities, better equipment/facilities?
That doesn't answer my question. WHY are they subject to that bureacracy?
yeah those things make a school better, but fundamentally a school is a function of the culture
i think a lot of those stats are misleading, the stats show that successful students are the ones where parents read to their children and do their homework with them, in other words they come from an academic environment
you can have the best facilities in the world and extracurricular activities but if you don't have heavy parental involvement, and an academic culture the school will go nowhere
money is good, but culture is what ultimately will determine outcomes
i thought i did, like i said the public school bureaucracy goes back 100 years, that is the way its always been pretty much
It's not about the "culture" your schools you like to post prove that. Those are the same inner city kids with the same shytty parents, but they are able to go to school, get away from the nonsense at home and feel good about themselves and their future. Same goes for my daughters school. They are inner city kids with uneducated parents, but the school is well funded and they have plenty of good teachers and books and the kids respond well. That's the point of school it's supposed to take you beyond what your parents can do at home.
That still doesn't answer why. They are subject to gov. Bureaucracy because they need gov. money to exist. If the gov. starts fully funding charter schools then they will be subject to the same thing.
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A little segregation never hurt nobody ?
Brown vs. Board of Education ring a bell ?
The fvcking educational rift that started several generations ago
ring a bell ?
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@MeachTheMonster you're wasting your time.
Just sayin
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well the problem is that you just admitted that your kids go to charter schools, so im not really sure what is the point you are making
as far as spending and performance, you can research that for yourself if you dont believe me, you can start here Let me google that for you
but overall spending does not equate to more performance
and the stats do show that there is a direct correlation between parental involvement and performance A Lack of Parent Engagement Helps Create Failing Schools | Psychology Today
How Parents Can Influence Academic Performance Simply by Talking | TIME.com
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Final_Parent_Involvement_Fact_Sheet_14732_7.pdf
Parents' effort key to child's educational performance
What Factors Contribute to Academic Success in Children?
i think you are making a mistake by focusing on money, what happens in rich schools as that the more money a family has the more involved they are in their kids education, that is why public schools work for a lot people
and that gets to my point why we need charters and vouchers, because charters and vouchers have the flexibility to create a school that compensates for lack of parental involvement
the government does fund charter schools so i dont think you understand what a charter school is, the definition of a charter school is a public school that operates independently with government money and private schools obviously also operate independently, so charter schools and voucher schools do not fall under the same bureaucracy as public schools, im not sure why you dont understand that
A little segregation never hurt nobody ?
Brown vs. Board of Education ring a bell ?
The fvcking educational rift that started several generations ago
ring a bell ?
Just
@MeachTheMonster you're wasting your time.
Just sayin
brown vs board of education was about government mandated segregation
but if black people want to found our own schools using charter schools and vouchers there is nothing wrong with that as long as they dont discriminate
notice i said "little", i wasnt suggesting state mandated segregation
its well known by any knowledgeable black person that is alive in 2013 that there was a negative side to the civil rights movement which was that black people fled to white areas and white schools and we lost a lot of business and black institutions, so i dont know why people are looking at me crazy unless you are ignorant, a lot of people have suggested that we need a "little" segregation when it comes to business and education to make up for the business and institutions that we had pre civil rights,
charters schools and vouchers represent a business opportunity and a culture opportunity for black people and white isnt always right, that is the overall point
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You are not making sense here. If only the kids that have good parents at home do well then it doesn't matter what type of school they go to they won't do well. If a charter school can be set up to combat that dynamic using goverment money than so can a public school. If a charter school gets the majority of its money from the goverment then they would be in effect a public school.
You keep ignoring simple logic. The gov. steps in and stipulates what public school are allowed to do because they are funding them. If a charter school gets its funds from the gov. they will step in and give the same stipulations.
For example one of the big problems with public schools is that they receive funding in relation to their test scores. So the schools begin to concentrate on getting those test scores(funding) instead of teaching kids. A charter school would be subject to the same dynamic if it got the majority of its money from the goverment.
Where your getting this wrong is that your forgetting the money isn't free. If a bunch of black people open schools that depend on goverment funding, then they will have to teach what the goverment wants them to teach.
well first of all, i didnt say ONLY, i simply posted statistics that show that parental involvement is the most important factor, but there are exceptions to everything
the only point i was making is that it takes more than money to fix a school, my point was not that that ONLY kids with good parents do well
yeah they can but like i said the public school system bureaucracy goes back 100 years so its hard to change
like i said, i dont think you even understand what a charter is, charter schools are public schools, the difference is that they dont operate under the public school bureaucracy, charter schools are independent
i thought it was known that charter schools are public schools, but apparently not
the difference between charter schools and public school isnt money, the difference is who runs the schools, i already gave you an example Chicagoans of the Year 2010: Tim King, Urban Prep Academy - Chicago magazine - January 2011 - Chicago anybody can open up a charter school and run it how they think it should be run, you cannot do that in public schools, in public schools it has to go through the unions and bunch of other rules that have been going on for 100 years
why any black person wants to support racist bureaucracy that has been around for 100 years is beyond me
again, maybe you need to look up what a charter school is, the definition of a charter school is a public school that operate independently, if you dont accept that definition i dont know what to tell you
well thats a problem according to you, IMO if a public school has failing students it shouldn't be funded, it should be closed
well i would hope the black schools are teaching what the government wants them to teach, that is the whole point of government education, its to make sure everybody knows how to read, write and do math etc
You're sounding like the Mexican that already made it across the border and got amnesty and now wants the borders to close. You realize your children are receiving a better chance at life, why protest to deny that opportunity to more students? Charter schools receive less fed money than public schools, so why pour more money into failing schools that have no accountability and are run by a zealous teachers union?
Using the Mexican analogy. It's because my people aren't really being allowed across the boarder. They allow a couple of us that are well off to make it, but the boarder is closed for the poor people that really need it. This takes even more money away from the poor Mexican communities making it harder on the people we leave behind.
If charter schools started to receive more money. The kids stuck in public school will be worse off, and the charter schools would begin to have the same failings as public school. And it's a myth that charter schools are automaticaly better than public schools.
Charter Schools Might Not Be Better - On Education (usnews.com)
Charter schools just create a grater divide in opportunity. They don't help the poor kids that really need it. And the help it does offer comes at the expense of kids not lucky enough to find their way into a good charter school.