Affirmative action amendment has some Asian-Americans furious

[godkiller]

i think affirmative action is for the benefit of minority groups and i guess hispanic is a minority group--...

Affirmative action was originally intentioned and instituted to benefit blacks, not "minority groups". There is no compelling reason Mexicans should get AA.

 

[theworldismine13]

I never said or implied I was defending AA for any groups but black Americans.

like i added in my post, if they reinstate AA in cali the main beneficiaries would be hispanics,

AA is not about just about black people, it's about minorities, that is why i dont defend it, if you dont understand thatt AA includes hispanics and other races then maybe you need to reevaluate your support of AA because the white liberals and white supremacists that support AA never said it was limited to black people

 

[theworldismine13]

Affirmative action was originally intentioned and instituted to benefit blacks, not "minority groups".

but it isnt limited to blacks, who told you that it was limited to blacks

there are several reasons im against AA, but one reason is that non blacks get most of the benefit but black people get all the backlash and provide all the political capital

i see no logical reason for me to support AA

 

[Kuro]

Affirmative action was originally intentioned and instituted to benefit blacks, not "minority groups". There is no compelling reason Mexicans should get AA.

nearly everything for or by black people ends up being open source...

 

[NERO]

So what's your point?

I don't know, it was an incomplete thought. Guess I had a brainfart and contributed nothing interesting to the thread. Now I have forgotten what I was intending to add in the first place. Sorry about that. Carry on.

 

[Insensitive]

Why don't black people just study as hard as Asian people than you wouldn't have to worry about affirmative action?

We'd have to believe that blacks in general are ignorant, lazy,
anti-intellectuals to entertain this stance in the first place.
When that's quite obviously bullshyt and it's a particularly loud smelling brand
of it too.

 

[theworldismine13]

We'd have to believe that blacks in general are ignorant, lazy,
anti-intellectuals to entertain this stance in the first place.
When that's quite obviously bullshyt and it's a particularly loud smelling brand
of it too.

its not bullshyt at all, its the only real solution if we want more blacks in higher education

 

[Serious]

 

[Crakface]

The problem is with the broad category "Asian." Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are definitely earning more than white people on average, like you say, but other South Asians (Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepalese) and Southeast Asians (Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Indonesian, Malaysian, etc.) are not, and are usually very different demographically, in terms of education and other things.

Well then i guess they need to expand the categories then so we know who needs the help and who doesnt. The lack of categories really shows how little the powers that be care about these issues. Wealthy nigerian immigrants should not be getting affirmative action dibs.

 

[Crakface]

I dont think standards should be lowered but if there are qualified individuals then obviously whites should be FORCED to accept races among groups that need the most help in America.

You guys are changing what affirmative action is about. Its about racism and discrimination based on skin color.

America is not at the point where people are being discriminated against solely because they are just under qualified for positions. You're really spitting in the face of people by trying to ignore racism and the cause for these types of legislation.

 

[theworldismine13]

I dont think standards should be lowered but if there are qualified individuals then obviously whites should be FORCED to accept races among groups that need the most help in America.

You guys are changing what affirmative action is about. Its about racism and discrimination based on skin color.

America is not at the point where people are being discriminated against solely because they are just under qualified for positions. You're really spitting in the face of people by trying to ignore racism and the cause for these types of legislation.

lets be real, you and others havent really thought about the implications and ramifications of AA, the only thing you know is that AA is suppose to help black people

im not changing what affirmative action is about, im telling you what the implications and ramifications of AA are, AA means nigerians get affirmative action, it means hispanics and every tom dikk and harry including people from cape verde get affirmative action and it does mean standards get lowered

dont say you support affirmative action and then say you oppose the consequences of affirmative action, the level of racism or discrimination is not a standard to analyze whether AA is a good or not, the standard is what impact does it have, white people could be racist as fuk and AA would still be a bad idea because of the consequences of implementing AA

 

[Crakface]

lets be real, you and others havent really thought about the implications and ramifications of AA, the only thing you know is that AA is suppose to help black people

im not changing what affirmative action is about, im telling you what the implications and ramifications of AA are, AA means nigerians get affirmative action, it means hispanics and every tom dikk and harry including people from cape verde get affirmative action and it does mean standards get lowered

dont say you support affirmative action and then say you oppose the consequences of affirmative action, the level of racism or discrimination is not a standard to analyze whether AA is a good or not, the standard is what impact does it have, white people could be racist as fuk and AA would still be a bad idea because of the consequences of implementing AA

Ok so show me the ramifications outside of your imagination. Its been around for decades so the ramifications should be everywhere right?

 

[theworldismine13]

Ok so show me the ramifications outside of your imagination. Its been around for decades so the ramifications should be everywhere right?

yeah the ramifications are that the number of blacks in higher education is minimal, so overall AA is a waste of time and effort

 

[Crakface]

yeah the ramifications are that the number of blacks in higher education is minimal, so overall AA is a waste of time and effort

A waste of effort for who? What effort are people defending affirmative action? Rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it. You think you've never been an Affirmatie action hire? Ever been the only black man on a job?

For black people in corporate America you have to be above qualified to be QUALIFIED.

 

[theworldismine13]

A waste of effort for who?

a waste of effort for black people

What effort are people defending affirmative action?

? when defending affirmative action requires using your mental energy and your political capital, so at some point you should evaluate whether the mental energy and poltical capital you are exerting is worth the results

im saying the results arent worth it

Rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

first black people do not need it, the notion that te only way black people can get ahead is through AA is itself premised on black inferiority and white supremacy

second AA is not free there is a price you pay in mental energy and political capital

so its matter if vaulting wheher its worth it

You think you've never been an Affirmatie action hire? Ever been the only black man on a job?

what does this even mean, first of all the story was about college admissions, not about hiring

but as far as hiring there is no law that requires hiring black people

For black people in corporate America you have to be above qualified to be QUALIFIED.

yeah, so whats your point?

like i said the level of racism is not an argument for AA, you have to show that AA is working and it has results