Affirmative action amendment has some Asian-Americans furious

[theworldismine13]

Thanks for proving my point. I'm talking about the discrimination in the 60s, when the bill was first disseminated and you know such, so why are you acting as though you don't?

and im saying that isnt an argument for AA

AA is just crumbs that white liberals threw at negroes, if you look at it in any other way you are fooling yourself

AA is not the key to increasing he number of black college students, the key is changing black culture

 

[KingpinOG]

The problem is with the broad category "Asian." Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are definitely earning more than white people on average, like you say, but other South Asians (Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepalese) and Southeast Asians (Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Indonesian, Malaysian, etc.) are not, and are usually very different demographically, in terms of education and other things.

So at least you acknowledge that it is not race holding certain groups back in America. Unless you think that America is racist against Vietnamese, Pakistanis, and Indonesians but not racist against Chinese, Japanese, and Indians.

Culture is what holds certain groups back in America....... not their skin color.

 

[KingpinOG]

Can someone explain to me why Hispanics qualify for affirmative action but not Asian people?

 

[Kuro]

dont be fooled...the asians opposing affirmative action aint taking a stand against discrimination [im sure they agree with discrimination in some form] or for meritocracy,,they just dont want to have to compete with 'underrepresented minorities' in college admissions...

 

[KingpinOG]

dont be fooled...the asians opposing affirmative action aint taking a stand against discrimination [im sure they agree with discrimination in some form] or for meritocracy,,they just dont want to have to compete with 'underrepresented minorities' in college admissions...

Can you blame them? If you were Asian, why would you want a black or Hispanic person who has worse grades getting admitted into a college over you?

 

[theworldismine13]

Anyone who thinks blacks are inferior after affirmative action will think such anyway. The fact is that blacks don't get into top universities without affirmative action. Whites get in through legacy and sports but nikkas are locked out. I'd rather there be blacks than not.

this type of mentallity is another reason why AA has to be ended, the idea that the only way black people can get into higher education is through AA is complete utter bullshyt

this is more evidence of how AA is really built on notions of white supremacy and black inferiority, if you believe in white superiority and black inferiority then AA makes perfect sense

if i thought AA was the only way to get more black people in higher ed i would be for AA too, but i dont believe in black inferiority so the notion that black people need AA is stupid to me

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Discrimination against blacks in American society is a constant and there are no perfect remedites to end it. As such it is reasonable to considerable remedies to counteract this tendency. Society is full of mini discriminations, from employee hiring to government programs. When an employer hires someone they are "discriminating" on traits and characteristics, choosing whatever they think is best for their company. When the government chooses to enact a regionable jobs programs in one place and not another, that too is discrimination. People are always choosing one person and region over another. Affirmative action is just another well-intentioned attempt to rebalance the scales. Non-blacks mainly hate it because they think they lose out, but blacks lose out in ways these otehr blacks do not.



1. Although it's true you get higher dropout rates, you also get more people graduating in an absolute sense because there are more people in the first place.

2. Asians and whites will stereotype blacks anyway. Fewer blacks at a school doesn't change anything. Studies actually that blacks don't have feelings of inadequacy or insecurity when asked about having been accepted under affirmative action auspices. Dido whites feel feel any such feelings when they were given vast tracts of land over the last 200 years? No. Your assertion is conservative myth. Conservatives just don't want nikkas to get anything.

Goodbye thread....its been nice knowing you.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Now it's true that AA mismatches people but ultimately it is not to blame for a person dropping out. It is up to students to choose the right program and put in the work towards graduation.

No it is not up to the student alone. If Yale sends you an invitiation of acceptance, they are saying you are a qualified individual so people will make their decision based on the notion that they are qualified to attend. AA sets it so people will make the decision under the ERRONEOUS notion that they are qualified to attend.

 

[Kuro]

Can you blame them? If you were Asian, why would you want a black or Hispanic person who has worse grades getting admitted into a college over you?

@ you acting like affirmative action is automatic enrollment for black or hispanic kids...and if i was an asian person that didnt get into the school i wanted i would probably just go to the 2nd..3rd or 4th option and not worry about what undeserving black or hispanic person(s) got in...

 

[Calmye]

Yeah you'd have the percentage of black students rise due to AA, and subsequently the percentage of blacks that drop out would also increase. And if you look at all who end up dropping out, it would be overwhelmingly black.

Why do blacks need to go to these super competitive schools anyway? The blacks that are there now can feel pride in themselves and not be self-conscious of what got them in. The other blacks that can't make it should go to another school more fit for their learning style.

Exactly. The notion that an elite college has to lower their standards to except people of color is insulting. I wish more African Americans would go to and graduate from HBC

 

[godkiller]

@ you acting like affirmative action is automatic enrollment for black or hispanic kids...and if i was an asian person that didnt get into the school i wanted i would probably just go to the 2nd..3rd or 4th option and not worry about what undeserving black or hispanic person(s) got in...

Why do Hispanics get AA again? I've heard of dudes from Spain--that is, Europe--getting affirmative action benefits. That's ridiculous. Mexicans were never slaves and the Spanairds were slavemasters.

 

[KingpinOG]

@ you acting like affirmative action is automatic enrollment for black or hispanic kids...and if i was an asian person that didnt get into the school i wanted i would probably just go to the 2nd..3rd or 4th option and not worry about what undeserving black or hispanic person(s) got in...

Why don't black people just study as hard as Asian people than you wouldn't have to worry about affirmative action?

 

[theworldismine13]

Why do Hispanics get AA again? I've heard of dudes from Spain--that is, Europe--getting affirmative action benefits. That's ridiculous. Mexicans were never slaves.

you are the one that is defending AA, you need to explain why hispanics need AA, you do realize that this story will effect hispanics way more than black people, right?

if they reinstate AA in cali the main beneficiaries would be hispanics

 

[godkiller]

you are the one that is defending AA, you need to explain why hispanics need AA

I never said or implied I was defending AA for any groups but black Americans.

 

[Kuro]

Why do Hispanics get AA again? I've heard of dudes from Spain--that is, Europe--getting affirmative action benefits. That's ridiculous. Mexicans were never slaves and the Spanairds were slavemasters.

i think affirmative action is for the benefit of minority groups and i guess hispanic is a minority group--...