Affirmative action amendment has some Asian-Americans furious

[bigDeeOT]

I made a solid score on my SAT and didn't get the benefit of prep classes or a Tiger mom jumping up inside my ass to ensure that happened. Asians do one thing exceptionally well and that is education but if they continue caking then the evil eye of sauron(white people) will turn upon them and they will be targeted. What good is your degree if no one will hire you? You might be smart but you still ain't white and when shyt kicks off that is all that will matter.

So what's your point?

 

[bigDeeOT]

white supremacists invented affirmative action, thats what people dont get

Exactly. What better way to declare the inferiority of the black race, than to say they need an extra hand if they want to get into top universities.

 

[godkiller]

Yeah, it would be embarrassing if they brought it back it would show that black people can't compete academically

No it wouldn't. Asserting such is like saying white people couldn't compete properly when the government doled out the GI Bill. Invalid analogy.

 

[godkiller]

The solution to discrimination is not discrimination.

Discrimination against blacks in American society is a constant and there are no perfect remedites to end it. As such it is reasonable to considerable remedies to counteract this tendency. Society is full of mini discriminations, from employee hiring to government programs. When an employer hires someone they are "discriminating" on traits and characteristics, choosing whatever said variables they think is best for their company. When the government chooses to enact a regionable jobs programs in one place and not another, that too is discrimination. Government and people are always choosing one person or region over another. Affirmative action is just another well-intentioned attempt to rebalance the scales. Non-blacks mainly hate it because they think they lose out, but blacks lose out in ways these otehr blacks do not.

If you invite people in who are only half way qualified just for the color of their skin, you get higher drop out rates because they weren't qualified to be there in the first place. This is not speculation, it is proven. And then on top of that, all the whites and asians will stereotype the black people there for not being qualified so they will always be skeptical if they should be there. This in turn leads the black people to feel very self-conscious, always wondering if people see them as qualified or unqualified. Therefore, they feel pressured to perform TWICE as hard as the average student, just to prove that they are at least qualified to be there.

1. Although it's true you get higher dropout rates, you also get more people graduating in an absolute sense because there are more people in the first place.

2. Asians and whites will stereotype blacks anyway. Fewer blacks at a school doesn't change anything. Studies actually that blacks don't have feelings of inadequacy or insecurity when asked about having been accepted under affirmative action auspices. Dido whites feel feel any such feelings when they were given vast tracts of land over the last 200 years? No. Your assertion is conservative myth. Conservatives just don't want nikkas to get anything.

 

[godkiller]

Exactly. What better way to declare the inferiority of the black race, than to say they need an extra hand if they want to get into top universities.

Anyone who thinks blacks are inferior after affirmative action will thought such regardless. The fact is that blacks don't get into top universities without affirmative action. Whites get in through legacy and sports but nikkas are locked out. I'd rather there be blacks than not.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Discrimination against blacks in American society is a constant and there are no perfect remedites to end it. As such it is reasonable to considerable remedies to counteract this tendency. Society is full of mini discriminations, from employee hiring to government programs. When an employer hires someone they are "discriminating" on traits and characteristics, choosing whatever they think is best for their company. When the government chooses to enact a regionable jobs programs in one place and not another, that too is discrimination. People are always choosing one person and region over another. Affirmative action is just another well-intentioned attempt to rebalance the scales. Non-blacks mainly hate it because they think they lose out, but blacks lose out in ways these otehr blacks do not.

Yes you're right about people being discriminated against in all facets of life. But you still fail to provide a reason why reverse discrimination is the answer. I have already shown you the costs of it; namely, that you are putting people in positions they aren't qualified to be in so they end up failing out.

1. Although it's true you get higher dropout rates, you also get more people graduating in an absolute sense because there are more people in the first place.

So you think the benefits outweigh the costs? The benefit is that you have more blacks graduating at these universities, but at EXPENSE of other black failing out or dropping out. These blacks that failed out could have spent that time in a place more suitable for them. Instead, you have them going to universities they don't belong in and as such, their lives are ruined for the time being.

Also, YES you have more blacks graduating, but there's more to graduating than just simply graduating. I'm also quite sure that the blacks will graduate with lower GPAs. If you graduate with a 2.2, your job prospects will be lower. T

2. Asians and whites will stereotype blacks anyway. Fewer blacks at a school doesn't change anything. Studies actually that blacks don't feel any type of way when it comes qualified or unqualified. That's a conservative myth.

No its not a conservative myth I've read tons of stories online where black people feel like they have to try twice as hard to prove themselves equal among their peers.

 

[godkiller]

Yeah you'd have the percentage of black students rise due to AA, and subsequently the percentage of blacks that drop out would also increase. And if you look at all who end up dropping out, it would be overwhelmingly black.

The absolute number of graduating numbers would increase so the tradeoff is between affirmative action and the status is well worth it.

Why do blacks need to go to these super competitive schools anyway? The blacks that are there now can feel pride in themselves and not be self-conscious of what got them in. The other blacks that can't make it should go to another school more fit for their learning style.

Because super competitive schools offer the best job prospects. Dudes can choose to go to whatever school they want, but having the option of a top school is better than not.

 

[theworldismine13]

No it wouldn't. Asserting such is like saying white people couldn't compete properly when the government doled out the GI Bill. Invalid analogy.

i wasnt making an analogy, you are making an analogy

the GI bill is payment for serving in the military so you are the one making an invalid analogy

 

[godkiller]

Yes you're right about people being discriminated against in all facets of life. But you still fail to provide a reason why reverse discrimination is the answer.

I understanding disputin AA on the notion he doesn't help blacks at the bottom--that is true--but I have no sympathy for the "reverse discrimination" answer. Is an employer choosing to hire on employee over another based on need "the answer"? Is a state government choosing to give one neighborhood more funding for jobs than another based on need "the answer"? What about the discrimination countries, out of self interest, shower on themselves before the rest of the world? Is this discrimination "the answer"? The fact is that affirmative action is hardly "discrimination", only a small number of people benefit from it (most of them aren't even black). Those who whine endlessly about AA discrimination are the same buffoons who talk about discrimination about whites. As for immigrants, why come to America if you know there is AA?

I have already shown you the costs of it; namely, that you are putting people in positions they aren't qualified to be in so they end up failing out.

And I've already elaborated on the notion that more people graduate because of AA than would otherwise be the case. Now it's true that AA mismatches people but ultimately it is not to blame for a person dropping out. It is up to students to choose the right program and put in the work towards graduation. As the old saying goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. All that being said, I don't unequivocally support AA. I acknowledge the problems mismatch engenders. However I don't see why AA should be left out of the conversation.

 

[godkiller]

i wasnt making an analogy, you are making an analogy

the GI bill is payment for serving in the military so you are the one making an invalid analogy

Invalid analogy = invalid comparison. The GI Bill was basically welfare for white Americans. Anyone who denies such isn't intellectually honest. But I guess gross welfare is OK when you give a different name and give it to whites.

 

[theworldismine13]

The absolute number of graduating numbers would increase so the tradeoff is between affirmative action and the status is well worth it.



Because super competitive schools offer the best job prospects. Dudes can choose to go to whatever school they want, but having the option of a top school is better than not.

the increase would be miniscule and instead of focusing on addressing changes that need to be made in the black community black people waste poltical capital trying to promote AA

the question that black people need to ask is not how can we get a few more blacks in, the question we need to ask as what do we need to do to dominate the process and be over represented

and that is another problem with AA, it sets the goal to be "getting a few more negroes in", that is a pathetic goal and pathetic standard

 

[theworldismine13]

Invalid analogy = invalid comparison. The GI Bill was basically welfare for white Americans.

thats funny cuz i used the gi bill to get through school, but anyways you have to serve in the military to get the gi bill, its not a gift, its part of the benefit when you serve

there was discrimination when it first was implemented in the 60's but that isnt an argument for AA

 

[godkiller]

the increase would be miniscule and instead of focusing on addressing changes that need to be made in the black community black people waste poltical capital trying to promote AA

I agree the increase is minuscule and blacks waste political capital on AA, but I don't like the precedent disavowing and eliminating AA sets.

the question that black people need to ask is not how can we get a few more blacks in, the question we need to ask as what do we need to do to dominate the process and be over represented

I agree to the extent the question should be be how we can dominate the process, but why shouldn't we get more blacks in at the same time.

and that is another problem with AA, it sets the goal to be "getting a few more negroes in", that is a pathetic goal and pathetic standard

I agree with you in priniciple than the goal posts should change to overall black academic improvement, but why can't we both defend AA AND advocate black studiousness and achievement?

 

[godkiller]

thats funny cuz i used the gi bill to get through school, but anyways you have to serve in the military to get the gi bill, its not a gift, its part of the benefit when you serve

there was discrimination when it first was implemented in the 60's but that isnt an argument for AA

Thanks for proving my point. I'm talking about the discrimination in the 60s, when the bill was first disseminated and you know such, so why are you acting as though you don't?

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree the increase is minuscule and blacks waste political capital on AA, but I don't like the precedent disavowing and eliminating AA sets.



I agree to the extent the question should be be how we can dominate the process, but why shouldn't we get more blacks in at the same time.



I agree with you in priniciple than the goal posts should change to overall black academic improvement, but why can't we both defend AA AND advocate black studiousness and achievement?

I agree the increase is minuscule and blacks waste political capital on AA, but I don't like the precedent disavowing and eliminating AA sets.

i dont promote AA becuase its benefits are miniscule and its not worth fighting for, its that simple, what else is there to say

i dont understand why you are asking why i dont fight for crumbs, i think you need to ask yourself why you are fighting for crumbs

AA is just a dumb program though up by white liberals that black people have latched into, i believe AA is bad strategy and i simply choose not to follow white liberalism