Affirmative action amendment has some Asian-Americans furious

[bigDeeOT]

What? I'm not black and I'm not a supporter of big government in general, but a free education for people who have historically been denied it is only fair.

Why do blacks need a free education? You're gonna make black people dependent on everything. It doesn't matter if blacks have a harder time than whites due to slavery. Such is life. Blacks ought to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get it together. The reason why blacks may have a hard time in this country is because we have no respect. Literally no one respects black people, not even blacks themselves. The only way we can earn respect is by building something. We have to build a prosperous nation, or at least one city. Education is a viable path to achieving that and it can be done with the system already in place.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Do any of you work at a firm that has Affirmative Action Policies? Because I do. The firm definitely has definitely has lower standards for URMs (Under Represented Minorities). I didn't really believe it until I received a slide deck that showed the firm's recruiting strategy.

URM= Black and latino.

Add to that, the firm has a big "Diversity/inclusive" push, and employees who can show that they contributed to a "inclusive" environment will get rewarded with a better review, which usually leads to a higher raise.


Yet, even with all these policies and incentives, URMs make up probably less than 1-5% of all employees. I have 3 reoccuring teams, and I have helped with maybe dozens of other teams. I am also at the home office about once a month. From what I can tell, the company is about 40% Asian, and 50% white. My teams are mostly Asian. In fact, on my reoccuring teams, there is only one 1 white person per team, and everyone else (including myself) is Asian.


However, I do hear about URMs and their performance through the grapevine, and I never hear anything good. In fact one person was being talked about, and my boss (an Asian woman) said, " she must be some sort of a political hire". All the URMs have that stigma unfortunately. People expect them to fail or need extra help. I can't say anything about myself because I have never worked with URMs before. Interestingly, African immigrants are viewed differently than AA's. I don't think African Immigrants have any sort of stigma.

What's crazy, is that I rarely hear white people say anything about people like that. It's usually east asians that are vocal about their disdain for URMs.


So there is a cost to Affirmative action. Without it, I don't think there would be any URMs at my company besides the very rare URM high achiever, or African Immigrants. However, since lower quatlity people get through using the URM lower standard, they are seen as being incompetent and less trust worthy. You would have to weigh the costs and benefits.

I want you to post more facts like this. This is the truth and reality we as african-americans have to face. Affirmative action causes too much tension between people. It allows for a justifiable reason for someone to generalize a black worker to be less competent than a white worker. The black worker will have to work twice as hard just to prove he's on the same level. The benefits of affirmative action are beyond me. I don't see any benefit of us having more blacks in positions they aren't qualified for. It literally makes no sense.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Why do blacks need a free education? You're gonna make black people dependent on everything. It doesn't matter if blacks have a harder time than whites due to slavery. Such is life. Blacks ought to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get it together. The reason why blacks may have a hard time in this country is because we have no respect. Literally no one respects black people, not even blacks themselves. The only way we can earn respect is by building something. We have to build a prosperous nation, or at least one city. Education is a viable path to achieving that and it can be done with the system already in place.

Asking "why is he here just because he's black when my academic performance is better than his?" is perfectly valid.

Asking "why doesn't he have to pay for college just because his ancestors were enslaved and brought here by force?" is not.

Education should be completely free for Black Americans and Native Americans, provided they get accepted to universities on their own merits.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Damn California is only 7% black.

shiet im surprised its even that high. i thought it was more like 4%.

this argument is mostly between asians and latinos. since we're a very small percentage we're a nonfactor but latinos make up 56% of the state, so asians fear that this will benefit upper class latinos more than them. whats crazy is that the people that benefited from AA in cali have been asians and white women, they've utilized the benefit to the max. now assembly is looking into giving others a chance at the benefit (or for what it was initially intended for) to get lower class minorities in who dont come from prestige private HS schools that cost 3k a semester.

 

[Calmye]

no offense...

but I researched that percentage.. because I noticed a while ago that some of the black posters from Cali say some of the most fukk shyt. That 7% explains a lot.

fukk outta here dog! Your Sig is a quote from a cali dude. What fukk shyt have I said on this board?

 

[bigDeeOT]

Asking "why is he here just because he's black when my academic performance is better than his?" is perfectly valid.

Asking "why doesn't he have to pay for college just because his ancestors were enslaved and brought here by force?" is not.

Education should be completely free for Black Americans and Native Americans, provided they get accepted to universities on their own merits.

No it should not be. You're setting people up to be dependent upon the welfare state even further. We've already got a ton of single black mothers dependent on the welfare state. Why do you think black america is in the position its in today? Its because welfare serves as an incentive for woman to have more children and to break up with the children's father. This why black people are so lost today because they are born in single parent households in poverty with no positive influence.

There's a couple things you don't get brotha. First off, there's already plenty of ways black people can pay for college. If a black student needs money for college he can just fill out a fafsa and get free money. It's very very simple and I know it is because I've done it for several semesters now. If he goes to a community college for his first few years he won't even need to take out loans, just pure grant money.

Then when he transfers to university he can get grants and loans to cover the rest of the tuition. And that's not taking into account if he doesn't apply for the abundant of scholarships out there. There's a lot of scholarships out there for people in general. There's even more scholarships for people in financial need. And there's even more scholarships for black people specifically. So the notion that black people aren't getting educated because they can't afford it is simply unfounded.

I don't know why you want to compare us to native americans. It doesn't make any sense. Why don't you compare us to something more positive we can aspire to like east asians or nigerians? They have the highest median income in this country and are the most educated.

 

[bigDeeOT]

whats crazy is that the people that benefited from AA in cali have been asians

On what basis has affirmative action benefited asians? As soon as affirmative action was stopped being used in california the percentage of asians at these schools rose dramatically.

 

[theworldismine13]

shiet im surprised its even that high. i thought it was more like 4%.

this argument is mostly between asians and latinos. since we're a very small percentage we're a nonfactor but latinos make up 56% of the state, so asians fear that this will benefit upper class latinos more than them. whats crazy is that the people that benefited from AA in cali have been asians and white women, they've utilized the benefit to the max. now assembly is looking into giving others a chance at the benefit (or for what it was initially intended for) to get lower class minorities in who dont come from prestige private HS schools that cost 3k a semester.

AA has been banned in cali since the late 90's, what the assembly is trying to do is lower standards, instead of AA the assembly and everybody including black people need to focus on culture and fixing the high schools

the asians are 100% right, the system should be objective and ignore race, if somebody wants to get in they should study harder

 

[GetInTheTruck]

No it should not be. You're setting people up to be dependent upon the welfare state even further. We've already got a ton of single black mothers dependent on the welfare state. Why do you think black america is in the position its in today? Its because welfare serves as an incentive for woman to have more children and to break up with the children's father. This why black people are so lost today because they are born in single parent households in poverty with no positive influence.

There's a couple things you don't get brotha. First off, there's already plenty of ways black people can pay for college. If a black student needs money for college he can just fill out a fafsa and get free money. It's very very simple and I know it is because I've done it for several semesters now. If he goes to a community college for his first few years he won't even need to take out loans, just pure grant money.

Then when he transfers to university he can get grants and loans to cover the rest of the tuition. And that's not taking into account if he doesn't apply for the abundant of scholarships out there. There's a lot of scholarships out there for people in general. There's even more scholarships for people in financial need. And there's even more scholarships for black people specifically. So the notion that black people aren't getting educated because they can't afford it is simply unfounded.

I don't know why you want to compare us to native americans. It doesn't make any sense. Why don't you compare us to something more positive we can aspire to like east asians or nigerians? They have the highest median income in this country and are the most educated.

fukk all that grant and loan shyt, its all a hustle to me. I have no problem paying taxes to support giving a young black student who excelled academically a free education. It's the least I can do. I don't find that analogous with paying taxes to support a system that encoruages dependency on the government for basic means of sustenance.

And I don't find it fair to compare black Americans with Nigerians, east Asians, or other immigrant groups. Their histories in this country are nowhere near the same.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

On what basis has affirmative action benefited asians? As soon as affirmative action was stopped being used in california the percentage of asians at these schools rose dramatically.

Sorry I'm old, I was in HS in the mid 90s LOL. Man all them cats were applying, it seemed like they had ways to obtain minority grants and knew exactly what to apply for. I don't blame them, if you know the system work it, but to act like they didn't use the system themselves is absurd.

Rose dramatically? Bullshyt. Both white and asian DROPPED after 96.
4.3% in 94', to 2.9 in 98', it took 10 years to grow back over 3%.
Because white women couldn't use it, white numbers fell too.

You clowns been using the system more than us, I already told you, our percentage in the state is way to small to be a factor. This has more to do with hispanics than it does black people. Southern blacks have no problems getting into universities considering how many HBCU they have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209

see chart below.

 

[theworldismine13]

Sorry I'm old, I was in HS in the mid 90s LOL. Man all them cats were applying, it seemed like they had ways to obtain minority grants and knew exactly what to apply for. I don't blame them, if you know the system work it, but to act like they didn't use the system themselves is absurd.

Rose dramatically? Bullshyt. Both white and asian DROPPED after 96.
4.3% in 94', to 2.9 in 98', it took 10 years to grow back over 3%.
Because white women couldn't use it, white numbers fell too.

You clowns been using the system more than us, I already told you, our percentage in the state is way to small to be a factor. This has more to do with hispanics than it does black people. Southern blacks have no problems getting into universities considering how many HBCU they have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209

see chart below.

This post makes no sense, what exactly is your point?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

shiet im surprised its even that high. i thought it was more like 4%.

this argument is mostly between asians and latinos. since we're a very small percentage we're a nonfactor but latinos make up 56% of the state, so asians fear that this will benefit upper class latinos more than them. whats crazy is that the people that benefited from AA in cali have been asians and white women, they've utilized the benefit to the max. now assembly is looking into giving others a chance at the benefit (or for what it was initially intended for) to get lower class minorities in who dont come from prestige private HS schools that cost 3k a semester.

 

[ltheghost]

Look the goal posts are being moved again. That Asian domination couldn't last forever.

 

[bigDeeOT]

This post makes no sense, what exactly is your point?

lmao I thought I was the only confused.

Anyway like I said, a higher percentage of Asians are at these colleges than before affirmative sction end of story.

 

[theworldismine13]

lmao I thought I was the only confused.

Anyway like I said, a higher percentage of Asians are at these colleges than before affirmative sction end of story.

half the posts in this thread dont make any sense because people are trying to fit the issue into blaming white racism, like somehow its white people's fault that asians dont want AA.... or that white people are mad because asians dont want AA....or something like that, i cant really decipher it