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Raiders

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assessing the situation as it is right now is not dooming lol. the consensus was walz was gonna kill vance but that obviously didn't happen like when kamala debated trump. I'm supposed to act like something didn't happen?
I don’t think it was, that Yale life prepped Vance for tonight, walz was not in his element. I went in nervous for him plus Vance has been getting his lying/spin skills during his media run.
 

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It amazes me that folk in this chat will wring hands and cry when they know the Amercan public and know what they like.

Vance was better tonight. He was better because he lied his ass off and did it confidently. Walz wasn't horrible but he wasn't amazing. Just middling.

Now to the wtf DNC observations

Why the fukk should Dems go on a debate stage with any Maga spokesperson and agree to no fact checking? Big own goal. Fact checking should be a requirement now for any Dem going forward.

Also, let Tim be Tim, he was a bit subdued, but that could be because they know he was gaffe prone.

Ultimately, Vance's lies change nothing, cause folks already know he is lying through his teeth even if his mouth is shut, and the most significant exchange was him denying Jan 6th.

One small hope, now that we know Kamala DESTROYED Trump and Vance beat Walz, is we start to get a narrative that Vance is better suited for this than senile Trump. In fact, Dems should start that rumour themselves. Trump would be unable to resist cutting Vance off at the knees. It would be glorious.

No stop handwring and pull yourselves together.

Jesus.
 

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The debate was a wash. However, Vance sidestepped the question of whether Trump won in 2020, which will be the main takeaway.

Regardless, VP debates don't matter. Lloyd Bentsen DEMOLISHED Dan Quayle in the 1988 VP debate. George H.W. Bush still won that election in a landslide.
 
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It amazes me that folk in this chat will wring hands and cry when they know the Amercan public and know what they like.

Vance was better tonight. He was better because he lied his ass off and did it confidently. Walz wasn't horrible but he wasn't amazing. Just middling.

Now to the wtf DNC observations

Why the fukk should Dems go on a debate stage with any Maga spokesperson and agree to no fact checking? Big own goal. Fact checking should be a requirement now for any Dem going forward.

Also, let Tim be Tim, he was a bit subdued, but that could be because they know he was gaffe prone.

Ultimately, Vance's lies change nothing, cause folks already know he is lying through his teeth even if his mouth is shut, and the most significant exchange was him denying Jan 6th.

One small hope, now that we know Kamala DESTROYED Trump and Vance beat Walz, is we start to get a narrative that Vance is better suited for this than senile Trump. In fact, Dems should start that rumour themselves. Trump would be unable to resist cutting Vance off at the knees. It would be glorious.

No stop handwring and pull yourselves together.

Jesus.
vance didn’t beat walz tonight.

and your attempt to draw an equivalence between kamala’s unequivocal obliteration of trump with some illusionary vance win makes you look like a 🤡

the general consensus is that vance’s response to the jan 6th/election 2020 segment wiped away any positive impression of his outing.

look at this:



walz is actually viewed MORE favorably after this debate, and you can’t discount the very real likelihood that this result is because he - unlike vance - believes in fulfilling the duty he would be sworn to uphold as vice president.

:francis:
 

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vance didn’t beat walz tonight.

and your attempt to draw an equivalence between kamala’s unequivocal obliteration of trump with some illusionary vance win makes you look like a 🤡

the general consensus is that vance’s response to the jan 6th/election 2020 segment wiped away any positive impression of his outing.

look at this:



walz is actually viewed MORE favorably after this debate, and you can’t discount the very real likelihood that this result is because he - unlike vance - believes in fulfilling the duty he would be sworn to uphold as vice president.

:francis:

Operate in reality breh. If you can't be honest with yourself you can't be h9nest with anyone.
 

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The campaign has really neutered Walz and I don’t understand why. He got the job in part due to going on media shows and torching Trump. He has done one media appearance since becoming VP and it was clear during the debate that he was told to be cordial, find common ground with Vance etc. End result was a debate where people largely thought both guys did well.
 
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