I was gonna do a whole retrospective thread for '99 but somebody beat me to it.
no knock on their thread, whoever made it. but nobody in there was laying any groundwork for those who missed out.
YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999
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I was gonna do a whole retrospective thread for '99 but somebody beat me to it.
no knock on their thread, whoever made it. but nobody in there was laying any groundwork for those who missed out.
You're lying because you want so bad to be right. This has nothing to do with what MTV says. If you see me posting an MTV article, it is for receipts only.
I did read and nowhere did you say at some point. You flat out stated that they were covering big December releases. And again, what do December releases have to do with a Missy Elliott.
The single hitting #1 is irrelevant because your previous post clearly talked about when it "dropped". More juelzing.
so an MTV receipt would make me right?
only reason I even brought it up, was to rub mud in your face, cuz i know you care about that type chit.
as for the bolded, CLEARLY YOU DIDNT READ THE LAST TWO POSTS PROPERLY. I even doubled back and clearly stated that the December release comment had nothing to do with missy. I was trying to provide a times-stamp for when the episode was aired.
the single hitting #1 is suddenly "irrelevant" because it kills your own argument.
a single can drop months before it makes any noise.
hell, looking at some of the release dates for singles in retrospect is :mindblown;
1. Mobb Deep - Quiet Storm
2. Nas - Nas Is Like
3. Nas - Hate Me Now
4. Pharoahe Monch - Simon Sez
5. Common and Sadat X - 1999
6. Em and Dre - Guilty Conscience
7. Mobb Deep and Nas - It's Mine
8. Mos Def - Ms Fat Booty
9. Dr. Dre - Still DRE
10. DMX - What's My Name
2. Nas - Nas Is Like
3. Nas - Hate Me Now
4. Pharoahe Monch - Simon Sez
5. Common and Sadat X - 1999
6. Em and Dre - Guilty Conscience
7. Mobb Deep and Nas - It's Mine
8. Mos Def - Ms Fat Booty
9. Dr. Dre - Still DRE
10. DMX - What's My Name
Still juelzing. You brought it up because you didn't have anything else and are pretty much conceding that you still have nothing.
Even with a December time stamp and taking into consideration that this song went #1 in December (considering that this show was most likely taped last week of November/first week of December), the single had already blown up when the show aired.
Being the single dropped October 29 and was number by December, it was making noise. In fact, it was making a lot of noise.
I just don't see how anyone could dispute this being the top two singles for 99. Now we can debate the order...
Only according to you and @mobbinfms. Until you post proof that states otherwise, you're both wrong.
It certainly felt like a flop in real time, and as an avowed hater of all things Missy, I was paying closer attention than most, and thus, my opinion should be given more weight than someone who was indifferent to Missy.
That being said, the numbers back it up:
- Her first album debuted at number 3. The 99 album debuted at number 10 (at a time when sales should have been higher).
- Her first album was certified gold and platinum at the same time after 2 months. The 99 album was certified gold and platinum at the same time after 8 months. In February of 2000. After Hot Boyz. The fact that the album wasn’t even certified gold in 99 was telling.
- Her highest charting single from the first album went to #12. She’s a bytch peaked at #90. All In My Grill peaked at #64.
- According to Wikipedia (I know) the 99 album hasn’t outsold her first album.
It all adds up to FLOP.
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No Order:
'Quiet Storm'- Mobb Deep
'Hate Me Now'- Nas/Puff
'bytch Please'- Snoop/ Xzibit/ Nate Dogg
'Still D.R.E.'- Dr. Dre/Snoop
'Simon Says'- Pharoahe Monch
'What's My Name?'- DMX
'Ms. Fat Booty'- Mos Def
'1-9-9-9' Common/Sadat X
'Watch For The Hook'- Cool Breeze/Outkast/Goodie Mob
'Watch Out Now'-The Beatnuts
'Quiet Storm'- Mobb Deep
'Hate Me Now'- Nas/Puff
'bytch Please'- Snoop/ Xzibit/ Nate Dogg
'Still D.R.E.'- Dr. Dre/Snoop
'Simon Says'- Pharoahe Monch
'What's My Name?'- DMX
'Ms. Fat Booty'- Mos Def
'1-9-9-9' Common/Sadat X
'Watch For The Hook'- Cool Breeze/Outkast/Goodie Mob
'Watch Out Now'-The Beatnuts
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1.hate me now
2. Back that azz up
3. Cash money is a army
4. I got that fire
5. Block is hot
6.nas is like
7. Whatcha gonna do
8. Watch out now
9.bytch please
10. Tie between holla holla,what yall want, still dre and down bottom
2. Back that azz up
3. Cash money is a army
4. I got that fire
5. Block is hot
6.nas is like
7. Whatcha gonna do
8. Watch out now
9.bytch please
10. Tie between holla holla,what yall want, still dre and down bottom
Just because you don't outperform your previous album doesn't mean you flopped. Nothing you've listed here justifies a flop. I'm sure you wouldn't consider Hell On Earth a flop. It took that album longer to go gold than the previous album. None of the singles did better than the singles from the previous album.
So what is a flop then if its not coming in well below expectations?
Hell on Earth definitely underperformed in some respects, but its way more of a mixed bag than Missy.
- The album debuted in the top ten - Infamous did not
- The singles didn't outperform Infamous - but they all charted in the teens if memory serves me right. The disparity wasn't as stark as with Missy.
The key word is expectations. A flop isn't a flop because you, I, or random people says it's a flop. To me a flop is an artist that sells significantly less than the previous after the current album's cycle. It's also based on the situation. Like, I can't call Nellyville a flop, even though it sold significantly less than Country Grammar because few artists were doing Nellyville numbers during that era. Something like Juve's G Code would be a flop because it was a significant drop from 400 Degreez and it wasn't like he was selling more than everybody else with those numbers.
And this is where your bias comes in, which is why your assessment of Missy isn't to be taken seriously. You're in here making concessions for Mobb and saying they underperformed, but are saying that Missy flopped. And it's not a mixed bag. The singles from Da Real World outperformed the singles from Supa Dupa Fly.
I can't say that Missy flopped with the second album because it still did what the first album did. It just took longer. On the same token, I wouldn't call Mobb a flop.