YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

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Breh, don't even go there. You and @mobbinfms have been arguing with me on the same subject for nearly two weeks all because BOTH of you admittedly hate Missy and have been trying to prove Missy flopped or was flopping.

To @mobbinfms, we've only went back and forth about Missy and The Box, but you've wanted to argue about everything ranging from Juve to Missy to Ghetto Mafia to DMX to whatever and have been wrong. You wouldn't even admit you were wrong about Ghetto Mafia being signed to a major.
I would t say we’ve been arguing. I think it’s largely been a respectful debate.
I’ve been debating with you this long because, I’m stubborn, and it was crystal clear to me that She’s a bytch tanked and the album was flopping in 99. That’s how I felt in real time. :yeshrug:
 

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"Love Is Blind" is far from an anthem. "Hot Boyz" was a bigger deal than that song.
Love is Blind got a lot of attention because of the subject matter.
I get what you’re saying about an anthem as it’s obviously not a club banger
 

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Are you dense? It was all basically the same. You're arguing semantics at this point. The person in Philly, ATL, and the Bay would have all had access to Juve's video.
It’s not about access though. It’s about whether the Box was identical across the nation in terms of the videos played (like MTV and BET) or if there was local variation.
 

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Wanna be a baller
Players Holiday
Bling Bling
Back that azz up
Who Dat
Naan
Still DRE
Vivrant Thing
Hate Me Now
I need a hot girl
Down Bottom/What yall want
Gotta Man
 

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The layouts, voice overs etc., are irrelevant. Viewers of The Box had access to the same videos. The key difference is viewers in different locations would have had access to videos from more local artists from their respective area. Juve was not local.

Don't even do this with the national exposure BS either. You change that argument with the narrative. Ghetto Mafia was STILL a local group.
Would viewers across the country be seeing the same videos at the same time? Or was their local variation?
 

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I’m stressing it because #10 is much lower than #3. The fact that it took seven months and a star studded remix to go platinum is what there was to be disappointed about.

The album was flopping and then saved by the remix.

Breh, it being #10 has nothing to do with anything. While the chart position was lower, the sales of Da Real World were slightly higher, which is why chart positions have nothing to do with the argument. We've been over this.

Again, I'm asking you who was disappointed, because I've found nothing where Timbaland (who expressed disappointment in the lack of success of his own album), Missy, or any statements from Elektra saying it was a disappointment.

And again, by your logic every album that sells slow and picks up steam with the third single is a flop. Your isn't comprehensive because you're not understanding the basic logic of someone having lower chart positions with a different album in a different year. Totally different circumstances.
 

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Would viewers across the country be seeing the same videos at the same time? Or was their local variation?

Viewers would be seeing the videos as requested by paying callers. That isn't the issue. For a song like "Back That Thang Up" which was pretty popular. It didn't matter where you were, you were being exposed to this video via previews of it or by paying callers requesting it hence the example (Bone Thugs' "Crossroads") given in the article you posted.
 

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Which viewers though? In other words, were viewers in ATL requesting videos for their affiliate only? Or were viewers nationwide requesting songs for one national playlist? If so, how did local artist fit into the mix?

On July 20, 1996 from 8-9 pm, were viewers across the country all seeing the exact same videos in the exact same order (like BET and MTV), or was what ATL saw in that hour different from what Philly saw in any way (different videos, sequence, anything).

Obviously I’m not asking about that specific day and hour, but just using it as an example to get your understanding of how the Box worked.

Viewers nationwide had the same playlists. No, we probably wouldn't be seeing the videos at the same time. That doesn't mean that video wasn't available. And the reason why is because The Box didn't work like BET and MTV. While BET and MTV had playlists, the songs played randomly. On The Box, you would be seeing the same videos multiple times in the same hour because different people were requesting the same video. Between videos, they showed viewers different videos that were available. At the bottom of the screen during videos, there was a bar that showed the song name/artist/request number and number for the hotline.

So yeah, if it was a popular song, it was very possible that everybody was seeing these videos at the same time.
 

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Breh, it being #10 has nothing to do with anything. While the chart position was lower, the sales of Da Real World were slightly higher, which is why chart positions have nothing to do with the argument. We've been over this.
We have. And I disagree with you. She couldn’t keep up with the competition :yeshrug:
 

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gain, I'm asking you who was disappointed, because I've found nothing where Timbaland (who expressed disappointment in the lack of success of his own album), Missy, or any statements from Elektra saying it was a disappointment.
I can’t answer this without making a reasonable inference that all parties involved in the album would have wanted it to outperform the prior album if not be on par with it.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
 

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And again, by your logic every album that sells slow and picks up steam with the third single is a flop.
No. It would be limited to albums that had a predecessor and it would only show that the album was flopping until being saved by a third single.
 

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Viewers would be seeing the videos as requested by paying callers. That isn't the issue. For a song like "Back That Thang Up" which was pretty popular. It didn't matter where you were, you were being exposed to this video via previews of it or by paying callers requesting it hence the example (Bone Thugs' "Crossroads") given in the article you posted.
Non responsive.
Please answer these specific questions with a yes, no, or I don’t know.
Would viewers across the country be seeing the same videos at the same time? Or was their local variation?
 

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No. It would be limited to albums that had a predecessor and it would only show that the album was flopping until being saved by a third single.

Which makes absolutely no sense at all. Many albums have more than three singles. If an artist is still releasing singles and the singles have the success that "Hot Boyz" had, it is ridiculous to say that said album is a flop. Furthermore, many albums don't have big lead singles and pick up steam with the second single. Are those albums flops that were saved by the second single?

I mean for all intents and purposes, singles are designed to promote albums/artists. In essence they are essentially designed to keep an artist/album selling records preventing them from flopping. You've created a set of conditions specifically to fit the narrative that Missy flopped.
 
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