YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[JustCKing]

Ok. So the Box wasn’t the same across the country.

We can end this part of the discussion now.

Breh, whether you saw the video at the same time or not. All viewers had access to the same videos with the variation being the local scene.

And really this discussion should've ended when you admitted you weren't familiar with The Box and jumped into a discussion that you had no knowledge of using a Wikipedia link that you still didn't understand.

 

[JustCKing]

I can’t answer this without making a reasonable inference that all parties involved in the album would have wanted it to outperform the prior album if not be on par with it.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Breh, your inference is inaccurate. Outperforming the predecessor is a leap over wanting something to be as successful as its predecessor. There wasn't much of a difference between what Da Real World and Supa Dupa Fly did commercially. Da Real World had three singles. Supa Dupa Fly had three singles (four if "Hit Em Wit Da Hee" remix counts).

- Da Real World debuted with slightly higher numbers than its predecessor

- "Hot Boyz" was Missy's biggest single and made history. It also went platinum

- Da Real World went platinum, albeit slower than its predecessor

^^^ How are you making an inference than this was a disappointment? LOL @ reasonable.

 

[mobbinfms]

Which makes absolutely no sense at all. Many albums have more than three singles. If an artist is still releasing singles and the singles have the success that "Hot Boyz" had, it is ridiculous to say that said album is a flop. Furthermore, many albums don't have big lead singles and pick up steam with the second single. Are those albums flops that were saved by the second single?

I mean for all intents and purposes, singles are designed to promote albums/artists. In essence they are essentially designed to keep an artist/album selling records preventing them from flopping. You've created a set of conditions specifically to fit the narrative that Missy flopped.

It makes perfect sense you just won't admit it for some as yet unknown reason.
Yes. An album can be flopping and saved by the second single.
I haven't created a set of conditions. As @Wacky D said, these aren't my criteria, they are THE criteria.
You claimed to have additional criteria and then went silent. So what else is out there?

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, whether you saw the video at the same time or not. All viewers had access to the same videos with the variation being the local scene.

And really this discussion should've ended when you admitted you weren't familiar with The Box and jumped into a discussion that you had no knowledge of using a Wikipedia link that you still didn't understand.

No the discussion should have ended as soon as I posted the Wikipedia link. Again, it took pages of back and forth discussion for you to admit the simple fact that the Box in ATL (what the viewer saw in terms of videos and sequence) was different from the Box in Philly. Why? Why not just admit you were wrong? You thought the Box had a "rotation" to start this discussion which is incorrect.

 

[JustCKing]

It makes perfect sense you just won't admit it for some as yet unknown reason.
Yes. An album can be flopping and saved by the second single.
I haven't created a set of conditions. As @Wacky D said, these aren't my criteria, they are THE criteria.
You claimed to have additional criteria and then went silent. So what else is out there?

How is an album saved by a single when it is designed to sell an album?

And your criteria isn't THE criteria. Its laughable that you think so and comedy that you think @Wacky D of all posters co-signing it makes it legit. Especially since both you and he are disagreement over Juvenile flopping with G Code. And where was the single that saved G Code by the way?

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, your inference is inaccurate. Outperforming the predecessor is a leap over wanting something to be as successful as its predecessor. There wasn't much of a difference between what Da Real World and Supa Dupa Fly did commercially. Da Real World had three singles. Supa Dupa Fly had three singles (four if "Hit Em Wit Da Hee" remix counts).

- Da Real World debuted with slightly higher numbers than its predecessor

- "Hot Boyz" was Missy's biggest single and made history. It also went platinum

- Da Real World went platinum, albeit slower than its predecessor

^^^ How are you making an inference than this was a disappointment? LOL @ reasonable.

With a much lower chart position.
I agree about Hot Boys, but it is irrelevant to the discussion of whether the album was flopping up to the point it was released.
Significantly slower.
There is a reasonable inference that this would all be disappointing to everyone involved.

 

[mobbinfms]

How is an album saved by a single when it is designed to sell an album?

And your criteria isn't THE criteria. Its laughable that you think so and comedy that you think @Wacky D of all posters co-signing it makes it legit. Especially since both you and he are disagreement over Juvenile flopping with G Code. And where was the single that saved G Code by the way?

What other criteria is there than?
And if you don't understand the answer to the first question, I have no other way of explaining it. Albums can underperform and that can change with the release of another single. You can analyze how the album was performing during a period of time.

 

[JustCKing]

No the discussion should have ended as soon as I posted the Wikipedia link. Again, it took pages of back and forth discussion for you to admit the simple fact that the Box in ATL (what the viewer saw in terms of videos and sequence) was different from the Box in Philly. Why? Why not just admit you were wrong? You thought the Box had a "rotation" to start this discussion which is incorrect.

No, again, The Box had a playlist. This wasn't even the discussion. The discussion was him not hearing Juve's "Back That Thang Up" until Summer (which even you admitted was late). I brought up the fact that it was on The Box. He claimed he didn't remember it because it was different for different areas. I posted the "Back That Thang Up" video recorded off The Box (should've ended the discussion) and it wasn't from ATL.

 

[mobbinfms]

No, again, The Box had a playlist. This wasn't even the discussion. The discussion was him not hearing Juve's "Back That Thang Up" until Summer (which even you admitted was late). I brought up the fact that it was on The Box. He claimed he didn't remember it because it was different for different areas. I posted the "Back That Thang Up" video recorded off The Box (should've ended the discussion) and it wasn't from ATL.

The discussion was whether the Box was local or national. Period. I made that clear very early on.
You’ve now admitted it was local. End of discussion. You and @Wacky D can continue YOUR discussion as to Back That.

 

[JustCKing]

What other criteria is there than?
And if you don't understand the answer to the first question, I have no other way of explaining it. Albums can underperform and that can change with the release of another single. You can analyze how the album was performing during a period of time.

A commercial flop is in regard to money it took to promote and create it vs the money it generated. Something that breaks even isn't a flop. Something that doesn't generate in sales the amount of money it took to promote and create it is a flop. And using your box office example, that is how they determine whether a movie flopped or not.

Neither of us have access to that information regarding her budget.

 

[JustCKing]

The discussion was whether the Box was local or national. Period. I made that clear very early on.
You’ve now admitted it was local. End of discussion. You and @Wacky D can continue YOUR discussion as to Back That.

No it wasn't. Your Wikipedia link clearly states The Box was nationwide. You're still not understanding or getting it because you want to be right and defend @Wacky D so bad, you're ignoring facts.

 

[mobbinfms]

A commercial flop is in regard to money it took to promote and create it vs the money it generated. Something that breaks even isn't a flop. Something that doesn't generate in sales the amount of money it took to promote and create it is a flop. And using your box office example, that is how they determine whether a movie flopped or not.

Neither of us have access to that information regarding her budget.

I've never heard that information for any rap album.
So by your logic no fan can weigh in on whether an album flops.
I completely disagree, but at least you finally came up with something

 

[mobbinfms]

No it wasn't. Your Wikipedia link clearly states The Box was nationwide. You're still not understanding or getting it because you want to be right and defend @Wacky D so bad, you're ignoring facts.

So now you're backtracking? A couple posts ago you said viewers across the country wouldn't be seeing the same videos at the same time. Which is it?

 

[JustCKing]

So now you're backtracking? A couple posts ago you said viewers across the country wouldn't be seeing the same videos at the same time. Which is it?

It is not backtracking. You just have no idea what you're talking about. You would have to know what you were looking at and how it worked to get it. You trying to understand how it worked from a Wikipedia link obviously isn't clicking.

 

[JustCKing]

I've never heard that information for any rap album.
So by your logic no fan can weigh in on whether an album flops.
I completely disagree, but at least you finally came up with something

You not hearing that doesn't mean that it isn't true. And no, we as fans of the music technically could never call an album a flop because we don't have access to the full picture. Yeah, we can discuss whether or not something flop, but if you are talking about an absolute, universal definition of a flop, then we can't begin to discuss a flop on that level without talking about the budget.