That is not how it worked. Those plays were based on requests paid for by viewers. It didn't matter what location you were in, if that song was popular you were going to be seeing it ad nauseam. That's why they used "Crossroads" as an example. It didn't matter whether you were from Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Philly, Vallejo, or some small city in Missouri, if you had access to The Box, you were going to see that video.
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That is not how it worked. Those plays were based on requests paid for by viewers. It didn't matter what location you were in, if that song was popular you were going to be seeing it ad nauseam. That's why they used "Crossroads" as an example. It didn't matter whether you were from Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Philly, Vallejo, or some small city in Missouri, if you had access to The Box, you were going to see that video.
he doesn't.
hes just arguing just to argue at this point.
he rarely ever admits when hes wrong, and hes not one of those guys who disappears when hes wrong either.he goes down swinging at all costs.
Breh, don't even go there. You and @mobbinfms have been arguing with me on the same subject for nearly two weeks all because BOTH of you admittedly hate Missy and have been trying to prove Missy flopped or was flopping.
To @mobbinfms, we've only went back and forth about Missy and The Box, but you've wanted to argue about everything ranging from Juve to Missy to Ghetto Mafia to DMX to whatever and have been wrong. You wouldn't even admit you were wrong about Ghetto Mafia being signed to a major.
that's not a flop.
you have to under-perform in order to be a flop.
if the label drops the ball, its kinda out of your hands. he sold two million with promotion that mirrors someone who sold half.
Going from 4X platinum to platinum isn't underperforming?
Breh, unless you worked for CMR or Unicersal in 1999, you are in no position to say the label dropped the ball. Juve sold 1 million records domestically not two.
IT ABSOLUTELY IS THE POINT.
if the layouts, voiceovers, etc aren't the same, then clearly we weren't watching the same videos at the same time.
when you play dumb like this, youre only hurting yourself. youre not winning any arguments when you do this.
no, I clearly said that ghetto mafia got BET daytime play OUTSIDE of rap city. and I made that abundantly clear in my previous post.
and why do you keep re-hashing ancient arguments and trying to apply it to some chit that has nothing to do with the task at hand??? I never said that ghetto mafia wasn't regional. that was never even an argument. so why are you dragging 8ball & mjg into this?? what type of drugs are you on?? both groups were regional.
AGAIN, like I said in my previous post, being nationally exposed is not the same as being nationally popular. clearly this is a concept that never registers in your brain for some strange reason.
The layouts, voice overs etc., are irrelevant. Viewers of The Box had access to the same videos. The key difference is viewers in different locations would have had access to videos from more local artists from their respective area. Juve was not local.
Don't even do this with the national exposure BS either. You change that argument with the narrative. Ghetto Mafia was STILL a local group.
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Mase did in fact get more promo and in 1997, it was harder to gauge because Biggie died as his single from LAD was peaking. Going into 1997, Mase was already on "Only You" and Puff's "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down". Biggie was on both versions of "Only You". Puff was Mase like Mase was already a superstar and Mase ain't even have an album. He had Mase on songs with Mariah Carey. Mase had #1's before his solo single dropped. When you saw Puff, you saw Mase. Mase was newly signed. Wayne had been on CMR for years and wasn't promoted until after Juve's "Back That Thang Up" dropped and even then he wasn't promoted like the others. Juvenile, B.G., and Big Tymers all had more promo than Wayne.
We are saying the same thing, just in a different way.that's not a flop.
you have to under-perform in order to be a flop.
if the label drops the ball, its kinda out of your hands. he sold two million with promotion that mirrors someone who sold half.
It definitely was a groundbreaking song. But I remember what you want being much bigger.
@JustCKing ignores things as well. I’ve asked him multiple times for some kind of explanation about why he claimed my approach wasn’t comprehensive and his claim that there were additional factors to his evaluation, only for him to eventually say it was just album sales after album cycle.he doesn't.
hes just arguing just to argue at this point.
he rarely ever admits when hes wrong, and hes not one of those guys who disappears when hes wrong either.
I’m stressing it because #10 is much lower than #3. The fact that it took seven months and a star studded remix to go platinum is what there was to be disappointed about.
The album was flopping and then saved by the remix.
Which viewers though? In other words, were viewers in ATL requesting videos for their affiliate only? Or were viewers nationwide requesting songs for one national playlist? If so, how did local artist fit into the mix?
On July 20, 1996 from 8-9 pm, were viewers across the country all seeing the exact same videos in the exact same order (like BET and MTV), or was what ATL saw in that hour different from what Philly saw in any way (different videos, sequence, anything).
Obviously I’m not asking about that specific day and hour, but just using it as an example to get your understanding of how the Box worked.